2025 Mathew’s Bows

[Jake Larsen]

I was asking it rhetorically.


You adjust it it by moving, and the point of everything I have said is I'm not certain this system as it is will provide enough movement as it is.


You don't need a laser to measure it, just a straight edge.

My point is simple. If you start a bow build/arrow tune with a properly set up bow and a properly spined arrow, you won’t need to move the cams very much at all. You don’t need massive amounts of movements if you’ve done everything else correctly.

Starting with parallel cams is quite important in this process.


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[Billy Goat]

My point is simple. If you start a bow build/arrow tune with a properly set up bow and a properly spined arrow, you won’t need to move the cams very much at all. You don’t need massive amounts of movements if you’ve done everything else correctly.

Starting with parallel cams is quite important in this process.


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My point is after tuning a good number of Mathews with the Top Hat system, and the range some of them have needed to shift from how they came from factory, I'm wondering if this system has enough adjustment without needing to change the one top hat some. Wouldn't be drastic, and probably not common, but no more change in cam lean that I saw with the 2 I played with, I think it might need to be done some.

It might be they really have limb deflection dialed in now, and it's extremely consistent. Putting 2 limbs together to make one you can probably get the tolerances tighter, if they are doing that. Might be they are just grabbing individual limbs out of a barrel, and you could have two weaker limbs paired up and two stiffer limbs, kinda stacking tolerances.

 

[Jake Larsen]

My point is after tuning a good number of Mathews with the Top Hat system, and the range some of them have needed to shift from how they came from factory, I'm wondering if this system has enough adjustment without needing to change the one top hat some. Wouldn't be drastic, and probably not common, but no more change in cam lean that I saw with the 2 I played with, I think it might need to be done some.

It might be they really have limb deflection dialed in now, and it's extremely consistent. Putting 2 limbs together to make one you can probably get the tolerances tighter, if they are doing that. Might be they are just grabbing individual limbs out of a barrel, and you could have two weaker limbs paired up and two stiffer limbs, kinda stacking tolerances.

I suppose it could happen…i guess I’m willing to take the plunge based on Mathew’s QC in the past. I would think that would become a warranty issue if so.


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[Billy Goat]

I suppose it could happen…i guess I’m willing to take the plunge based on Mathew’s QC in the past. I would think that would become a warranty issue if so.


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I mean, I was pleased with how easy it was to pull the axle. So changing yokes aren't really anymore complicated, just will need to reference where the axle position was, but the donut placement tends to slightly change cam lean anyways.

I feel really certain that a shop should be able to check cam lean, change the TH if necessary (doubtful, but maybe a few) and the customer can take it home and tune it.

 

[ddowning]

I wrote that review; my mod screws were blue loctite in and not loose. It took heat and a LH drill bit to get out.

The cable being cut is the issue that should have been caught in design/engineering if that bow couldn't stay on track at max DL and the cams shimmed over.

The rx8u is at the 30.25" position right now which is the bottom of the longest mod. I was thinking about twisting cables to go back to the top of the 30" mod for more speed, but maybe that isn't such a great idea.

 

[sndmn11]

I went and shot the 33 liftX and it was nice. They had 60# mods in 30"/30.5/31" 85%, which was a surprise. I expected to turn down a 70lb bow and be told other mods were an unknown ETA.

 

[Billy Goat]

I went and shot the 33 liftX and it was nice. They had 60# mods in 30"/30.5/31" 85%, which was a surprise. I expected to turn down a 70lb bow and be told other mods were an unknown ETA.

Mods are same as they have been, nothing new.

Shops should have a good supply by now.


Only thing different is on the RS, I think it's a same part number, but different # depending on limbs. Or something like that.


Tho the XD or whatever the long draw bow is does have a different cam, but still takes same mods.

 

[3forks]

I shot a 33 Lift X at 70 pounds at 31”, at 85% left-off and I was impressed.

I keep hearing that the draw cycle on the bow is stiff at the beginning, and has a more pronounced dump into the valley, but I didn’t notice that. The draw felt very smooth and linear to me.

I’ve been shooting Hoyt Ultras for a few years and have no complaints, but that Mathews has made me consider it.

The only thing I wish Mathews had was a 75% let-off. I’ve seen comments on line where people say the cam is jumpy at 80%, but that’s hard to believe. At 85%, it was impossible for me to feel that, but I can’t imagine that cam being jumpy even at 80%. Maybe.

I’ve heard it’ll be mid-March before any bow that you order will show up, and I’m not sure what module availability would be for what I’d need, but I’m considering placing an order.

 

[Pramo]

I moved from a Rx7 ultra to a lift last year, honestly I can think of a better bow, it’s light fast and predictable. I just bought a second lift 33 and gonna unload my Ultra.

The draw is fine using 80 or 85% left off, the cables stretch/settle a good bit both Mathews match and gas strings and they had the limb splinter problem. No bows blew up and I have had all kinds of splinters over the years on bows I wasn’t worried

The other downside to the Lift is a little finicky on top hats, I bought the podium ones so I don’t have to move the rest. The new tuning system should fix this

 

[roosiebull]

I shot a 33 Lift X at 70 pounds at 31”, at 85% left-off and I was impressed.

I keep hearing that the draw cycle on the bow is stiff at the beginning, and has a more pronounced dump into the valley, but I didn’t notice that. The draw felt very smooth and linear to me

I think all of the switchweight cams are stiff drawing, but also linear and smooth, just stiff drawing compared to other bows.

I like the draw cycle on my lift, and that feel is getting more common lately, which isn’t bad, but takes getting used to for me

At the same draw weight, a mathews is going to feel a lot stiffer on the draw than a cam like the evolve cam to me, but also more linear

 

[Billy Goat]

Word from Mathews directly is to not change the Top Hat.


Shouldn't need it, either it's someone with a terrible grip, or way weak spine issue.

 

[OR Archer]

Word from Mathews directly is to not change the Top Hat.


Shouldn't need it, either it's someone with a terrible grip, or way weak spine issue.

I asked my rep. No changing the top hat on the new system.

 

[3forks]

For you guys who have been shooting Mathews for a while, how have the strings been on bows recently? Still junk, or has Mathews improved them?

 

[Jake Larsen]

For you guys who have been shooting Mathews for a while, how have the strings been on bows recently? Still junk, or has Mathews improved them?

IMO they’re better, but I still just put as GAS on mine


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[bojangles808]

This might be the one that gets me to upgrade from my VXR 31.5...

don't do it. that's the last good year before they stressed tf outta the limbs trying to squeeze out 2 more fps

 

[Billy Goat]

For you guys who have been shooting Mathews for a while, how have the strings been on bows recently? Still junk, or has Mathews improved them?

They are 452x now.

I have a couple sets, I'm probably north of 5k shots on each without issues.

 

[wysongdog]

So when can a guy shoot one in 80#?

 

[TheHammer]

So when can a guy shoot one in 80#?

It won’t last long. That’s a hand grenade. I was testing one just to get a feel vs my new semi custom era. And the thing was splintering with tags still on it.. that being said the elites still feel the best imo.

 

[trevvamos]

The most exciting thing about the new release is the new grips.

They are compatible with mathews bows 2019 and newer, so I can swap out the side plates and tape shenanigans. So Vertix, VXR, V3, V3X, Phase 4 and Lift users all benefit.

As a guy with a press at home I prefer as few things that can go wrong in the field as possible. Too me, more adjustment seems like more potential for issues in the field. Bowtech is pushing the limits with the timelock feature. I am in wait-and-see mode until the new tuning feature is proven.

The stock grip has been awful since after the Triax, feel like beereal has solved the issue though.