2025 Mathew’s Bows

[roosiebull]

It's the ability to do it essentially on the line, in a minute, PLUS be able to tune in the window between shims.

I can tune an elite bow to three different arrow spines in the time it takes me to swap the 220 shims on my PSE. That ease leads to a willingness to constantly be tuning, experimenting, and ultimately makes perfect arrow flight attainable versus pretty good.

That’s what I don’t love about it, I screw around with stuff too much as it is, I don’t need it to be easier.

Archery is a very simple and straightforward weapon choice, once you get everything dialed in with a common sense arrow build, it makes the most sense to quit screwing with stuff, leave it alone and just shoot and gain familiarity in your setup

I don’t want that process to be too easy to change on the fly, because I will tinker. I think the cam/limbs/limb pocket tuning is cool, but I don’t think it makes a bow better for me, which is completely my fault

I would love to see Hoyt jump in the mix, but use the APA approach, and make it easy to break down the whole bow with no press, that would probably turn me into a Hoyt fanboy, because that’s my favorite system out for press-less tuning. I don’t see it happening, but it would add value to me

 

[sndmn11]

That’s what I don’t love about it, I screw around with stuff too much as it is, I don’t need it to be easier.

The bright side is that it's just as easy to change back. I think it lends itself to identifying a forgiving setup and separating bow hiccups from shooter.

If I saw the pictures correctly, this is the first system of the bunch that actually has little marks rather than me paint sharpie marking the heck out of things.

 

[flyboy214]

The most exciting thing about the new release is the new grips.

They are compatible with mathews bows 2019 and newer, so I can swap out the side plates and tape shenanigans. So Vertix, VXR, V3, V3X, Phase 4 and Lift users all benefit.

As a guy with a press at home I prefer as few things that can go wrong in the field as possible. Too me, more adjustment seems like more potential for issues in the field. Bowtech is pushing the limits with the timelock feature. I am in wait-and-see mode until the new tuning feature is proven.

 

[Billy Goat]

Archery is a very simple and straightforward weapon choice, once you get everything dialed in with a common sense arrow build, it makes the most sense to quit screwing with stuff, leave it alone and just shoot and gain familiarity in your setup

You sir should just show yourself the door, this is RokSlide, we can't leave anything alone.

If I saw the pictures correctly, this is the first system of the bunch that actually has little marks rather than me paint sharpie marking the heck out of things.

They have marks, but you probably will still want some kind of witness mark if you are trying to return to something.

 

[roosiebull]

You sir should just show yourself the door, this is RokSlide, we can't leave anything alone.





They have marks, but you probably will still want some kind of witness mark if you are trying to return to something.


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Don’t worry, I am aware that tinkering is generally a hindrance more than a benefit, but I don’t have good self control and can’t leave much alone regardless of my claims of knowing better and plans to change.

I would love to go back to when I changed nothing, and spent my thinking on things that actually matter, but I’ve turned into a tinkering gear ho

 

[Billy Goat]

Don’t worry, I am aware that tinkering is generally a hindrance more than a benefit, but I don’t have good self control and can’t leave much alone regardless of my claims of knowing better and plans to change.

I would love to go back to when I changed nothing, and spent my thinking on things that actually matter, but I’ve turned into a tinkering gear ho

This is why you need 5, maybe 8 bows. Have one setup ready to hunt all the time, and a backup because you are worried something could happen, like be a dumbass and hit a cable with broadhead.

Then you need a few bows to play with otherwise.

 

[sndmn11]

You sir should just show yourself the door, this is RokSlide, we can't leave anything alone.





They have marks, but you probably will still want some kind of witness mark if you are trying to return to something.


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How big of a tear can you fix?

 

[Billy Goat]

How big of a tear can you fix?

No clue.

I don't mess with paper besides notes. I can normally set cam lean to where it will bullet hole paper, the rest is just slight adjustments to fix bareshaft or broadheads.

 

[beforethehunt]

Will Matthews sell the new limb shift system separately? Is is compatible with last years lift?


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[beforethehunt]

The most exciting thing about the new release is the new grips.

They are compatible with mathews bows 2019 and newer, so I can swap out the side plates and tape shenanigans. So Vertix, VXR, V3, V3X, Phase 4 and Lift users all benefit.

As a guy with a press at home I prefer as few things that can go wrong in the field as possible. Too me, more adjustment seems like more potential for issues in the field. Bowtech is pushing the limits with the timelock feature. I am in wait-and-see mode until the new tuning feature is proven.

Wonder how much they’ll charge for the grips?


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[Billy Goat]

Will Matthews sell the new limb shift system separately? Is is compatible with last years lift?


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I don't really know why they would. You would probably loose warranty for the bow being altered.



Sell what you have, get another. Don't know what the cost would be, but it's never cheap when you gotta buy parts from Mathews.

 

[sndmn11]

No clue.

I don't mess with paper besides notes. I can normally set cam lean to where it will bullet hole paper, the rest is just slight adjustments to fix bareshaft or broadheads.

Isn't it for setting cam lean?

 

[Billy Goat]

Isn't it for setting cam lean?

Yes, it's adjusting cam lean.


I'm just saying, I can usually set cam lean to where it's gonna bullet hole, so I don't mess with it.


I set cam lean, then start shooting bareshafts at 20.

If I'm doing it for someone else, I set cam lean for me, then have them start shooting bareshafts at 10 or 15 yards depending on how good I think their form is. Adjust from there.

 

[sndmn11]

Yes, it's adjusting cam lean.


I'm just saying, I can usually set cam lean to where it's gonna bullet hole, so I don't mess with it.


I set cam lean, then start shooting bareshafts at 20.

If I'm doing it for someone else, I set cam lean for me, then have them start shooting bareshafts at 10 or 15 yards depending on how good I think their form is. Adjust from there.

Is it effective in the regard then? Are folks going to be getting something truly press-free, or does it have too fine of adjustment?

 

[Billy Goat]

Is it effective in the regard then? Are folks going to be getting something truly press-free, or does it have too fine of adjustment?

I think if it's setup properly at a shop, the end user will be able to fine tune it.


I haven't spent time with it. I think you still need to swap top hats on one side. So it's like some initial cam lean will still need to be set, but then the user should be able to fine tune it. I might be wrong, maybe no more top hats. I haven't gone over one except to snap a few pics of stuff I thought was interesting.

But some people have terrible form too, so what it should be, isn't what it needs to be.


The way the adjustments are just spreading the limbs, it should react a lot slower than just moving the cam the same distance between the limbs.

 

[Billy Goat]

I think something to note, to some degree anyway. I can only think of one cam system that doesn't put side load on limbs. All current compound bows put side load on the limbs with the cable guard.


Martin had a cam, can't remember the name, but it was shoot through cables. Barnesdale had it on his bows. Pretty neat, not a hunting bow, but I think it promoted a really consistent cycle through the shot.


So, I'm sure to some degree this increases side load, but when you take these short ATA bows and have the cable guard pulling to one side, you are dealing with it anyway. A little more probably isn't significant.
I might be wrong tho.

 

[wapitibob]

Haven't seen a bow torque this bad, maybe ever.

 

[Billy Goat]

Haven't seen a bow torque this bad, maybe ever.

You meaning how the cams seem to wobble when he hits the wall?

 

[wapitibob]

You meaning how the cams seem to wobble when he hits the wall?

The whole bow is torquing side to side, excessively. Without a front bar I've a little, never have seen that much from a newer model bow. Some of that could be the shooter but dang that's a bunch.

 

[Billy Goat]

The whole bow is torquing side to side, excessively. Without a front bar I've a little, never have seen that much from a newer model bow.

I was watching for riser deflection, that's what has given me the most problem.

I can see the riser shifting a bit transferring load from string/top of cam to cables/mods.





Maybe it's the new dampening system, sends some of the energy to the sides instead of front/back.


Big cams amplify that, coupled with high letoff and probably someone not real familiar with the draw cycle.
But might prove to be an issue too.