2023 BLM GRAZING RATES

[Newtosavage]

We didn't have enough toilet paper because a few people bought too much to stock up.

Then meat shelves started getting emptied.


I'm sorry but if anyone thinks millions of grazing acres being removed from the supply won't effect food resources in this country you are way removed.



I'll be the first to say some lease areas are abused, but y'all are taking anti gun tactics and using them. Look, this guy doesn't graze right, stop all grazing.


Or we can let supply and demand take over, wasn't it just a few months ago the thread was going about the grocery bill?

who the hell here said "stop all grazing?" You're making it a black and white argument and that's just silly. We can have both good quality wildlife habitat and carefully managed grazing. In fact, we should demand it on OUR land. Settling for less means we get exactly what we deserve.

And if anyone thinks you can't have both, you aren't doing your homework. There are plenty of places where both good habitat and grazing are happening. But not on the scale they should be for reasons of politics and willful ignorance.

 

[Idaho_Potato]

That opinion will get no traction with the crowd that is more loyal to their grazing pals/family than they are to the land they hunt and fish on.

Like it or not that is reality. The cattle industry lobby in DC is orders of magnitude larger than the hunting or wildlife conservation lobby. It’s pretty black and white at this point that DC is a swamp of bribery and the most money wins. And stop with the “this side is not as bad as that side”. All of them should be hung from the gallows on the White House lawn. I’ll bring the timber.

 

[Jimbee]

Farmers are currently dumping milk because supply is more than demand and we produce so much excess corn/grain in the US that we have to invent uses for it. The arguments and concerns of food production seem silly to me.

 

[Newtosavage]

Farmers are currently dumping milk because supply is more than demand and we produce so much excess corn/grain in the US that we have to invent uses for it. The arguments and concerns of food production seem silly to me.

that's not the narrative bruh. you're out of line. LOL

 

[Baddog]

Typically ranchers graze the public in the spring/summer and then move the cows onto private come fall and winter and feed in their own ground. So that is some of the disparity you are seeing in the fall between the two sides of the fence. Some of it is just abused.

 

[Newtosavage]

Like it or not that is reality. The cattle industry lobby in DC is orders of magnitude larger than the hunting or wildlife conservation lobby. It’s pretty black and white at this point that DC is a swamp of bribery and the most money wins. And stop with the “this side is not as bad as that side”. All of them should be hung from the gallows on the White House lawn. I’ll bring the timber.

I think we all know how powerful the livestock lobby is. I just spent 40 years of my life in Texas and nowhere is it stonger than there. No reason to throw up our hands and quit speaking the truth or speaking up on behalf of OUR public land however.

Just look at the corner crossing case. Times are a'changin whether the livestock lobby (or their neighbors who just simply don't like change) care to admit it. The people who've always been in control in the West are nervous and are probably doubling down on the support/pressure they're putting on local elected officials to make damn sure the good 'ol boy power structure remains in place. But they can't fight the wave of people coming to live in their back yards forever. And those people know they own that public land out there that the cattleman is using. And they will start asking inconvenient questions and eventually things will in fact change.

 

[Newtosavage]

Typically ranchers graze the public in the spring/summer and then move the cows onto private come fall and winter and feed in their own ground. So that is some of the disparity you are seeing in the fall between the two sides of the fence. Some of it is just abused.

Well aware. Been around livestock my whole life.

 

[Baddog]

Would be cool if cows didn’t shit in the creek though! Wonder if anyone has ever studied what beef prices do if say public grazing is cut in half?

 

[Newtosavage]

Would be cool if cows didn’t shit in the creek though! Wonder if anyone has ever studied what beef prices do if say public grazing is cut in half?

I'll take their shitting in the creek ahead of trampling the veg and putting all that soil in the streambed any day. Fencing out streams should be 100% required on all public grazing lands at a minimum.

 

[Newtosavage]

I'm out on this one before I get too angry. Seeing livestock owners abuse public lands is one of my greatest pet peeves. I can't believe we all just take it laying down as if there is nothing we could ever do about it. Hunters are WAY behind the curve on this topic because most of us are also conservative and loyal to the forces that run conservative politics, so we turn a blind eye to one of the things that should be extremely important to us as hunters and fisherman. It's hypocrisy at it's best. Conservative politicians weren't always this way. It was conservative politicians that set aside a great deal of the original public land in the west and created the conservation movement. How times have changed.

 

[HNTR918]

BLM needs to catch up to private/state land rates.
Here are the NE CO State Land rates.

 

[Baddog]

Do rates really matter? You are going to pay for it one way or another. Sure make the rancher pay his “fair” share compared to private and Uncle Sam collects a few more dollars and then you pay 20 percent more at the grocery store.

 

[Baddog]

We need about 4 billion less people on the planet and then we can change all sorts of practices for the better!

 

[Jimbee]

Do rates really matter? You are going to pay for it one way or another. Sure make the rancher pay his “fair” share compared to private and Uncle Sam collects a few more dollars and then you pay 20 percent more at the grocery store.

Show your work, give me some data.

 

[KsRancher]

Do rates really matter? You are going to pay for it one way or another. Sure make the rancher pay his “fair” share compared to private and Uncle Sam collects a few more dollars and then you pay 20 percent more at the grocery store.

The price of meat is decided by supply amd demand. Has nothing to do with input cost.

 

[Idaho_Potato]

The price of meat is decided by supply amd demand. Has nothing to do with input cost.

This. It has zero to do with the price of private land grazing or BLM grazing. Meat prices, fat cattle prices, weaned calf prices are all set by the wild supply swings in the market, the price of feed in the form of corn or hay, as well as the direction of the wind blowing at the packing plant.

As much as some people want it to be true, nobody is getting rich because they are saving a few bucks per cow calf pair on a BLM lease. It’s just not true.

 

[Warmsy]

Read this book.

Ugh. I listened to most of that book on audible. That guy is a whiny wimp, complaining about cattle grazing in general because he stepped in cow poop while running around naked. I got like 3/4 through it and had to turn it off.

Don't waste your time reading that book.

 

[Jimbee]

Ugh. I listened to most of that book on audible. That guy is a whiny wimp, complaining about cattle grazing in general because he stepped in cow poop while running around naked. I got like 3/4 through it and had to turn it off.

Don't waste your time reading that book.

I think the ideas and information in the book is more relevant than the perceived personality, wimpyness(?), etc of the author. Definitely thought provoking whether you like the author or not.

 

[Warmsy]

I think the ideas and information in the book is more relevant than the perceived personality, wimpyness(?), etc of the author. Definitely thought provoking whether you like the author or not.

I agree, he has some valid points, but also provides his misguided interpretation of the world.

 

[Warmsy]

I think the ideas and information in the book is more relevant than the perceived personality, wimpyness(?), etc of the author. Definitely thought provoking whether you like the author or not.

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