1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[Dobermann]

“It” = both (more)

I should have known ...

Initial reaction: “I knew I should have waited a bit longer!”

Post-justification/rationalization reaction: “The universe is telling me to change all of my pistols to the 1911 platform, and this is how I can do it ‘economically’!”

The irony is that when you were posting about the Staccato, I nearly posted about the new Kimber Warrior, having seen the good feedback on the 2K11 ... but purposefully didn't because they're not a proven entity yet (and the 2K11 had some teething problems) ... and because I didn't want to add to your analysis paralysis!

But I think you've done well - the Stac will work, and will retain value if you want to sell. The Warriors might need one or two tweaks unless they've taken across the mods they made to the 2K11 and did some pre-launch user testing (I haven't been following the Warrior very closely).

 

[Dobermann]

PS @fwafwow ... I bought the matching stainless - I made the mistake of asking how many were left, and it was the only one.

So, incoming:




You're a buzzard and I'm never talking to you again.

 

[RockAndSage]

PS @fwafwow ... I bought the matching stainless - I made the mistake of asking how many were left, and it was the only one.

So, incoming:

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You're a buzzard and I'm never talking to you again.

Man, we really do live in a golden age for 1911s.

This off-the-shelf factory gun would have been a $2500-3000 custom job just 30 years ago, in 30 years ago dollars.

 

[fwafwow]

PS @fwafwow ... I bought the matching stainless - I made the mistake of asking how many were left, and it was the only one.

So, incoming:

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You're a buzzard and I'm never talking to you again.

You’re welcome (because I know you will thank me at some point). Link (in case they find more)?

 

[Dobermann]

You’re welcome (because I know you will thank me at some point). Link (in case they find more)?

Yeah, I guess it's only fair seeing as I encouraged you on the Staccato.

Here's a US link; don't know anything about this as a source though: https://bularmoryguns.com/bul-armory-1911-edc-9mm-pistol-5-silver/

They're now discontinued - this was the Government / 5" barrel with light rail.

The new Commander-length, bull barrel is the SOF; should be in the US soon: https://ustore.bularmory.com/products/sof-2026 It has a light rail and optics system. If you don't like either, they have a standard Commander model.

I'm really impressed by the quality of mine so far ... far more than the Tisas.

 

[fwafwow]

Yeah, I guess it's only fair seeing as I encouraged you on the Staccato.

Here's a US link; don't know anything about this as a source though: https://bularmoryguns.com/bul-armory-1911-edc-9mm-pistol-5-silver/

They're now discontinued - this was the Government / 5" barrel with light rail.

The new Commander-length, bull barrel is the SOF; should be in the US soon: https://ustore.bularmory.com/products/sof-2026

I'm really impressed by the quality of mine so far ... far more than the Tisas.

I really wish I had not asked for the link.

 

[RWT]

I really wish I had not asked for the link.

If you like I could send you a link to my PP acct. You could send the $ to me. I’ll invest it. The interest will be my fee. You can then call me directly and I’ll console and council you on first how your $ is doing. Second on how FOMO is bad for any relationship. Third how you are NOT missing anything having the Bull Armory. Next, how your staccato will see more use by not having the Bull around to make it jealous. Lastly, once the interest equals the cost of the new pistol. I’ll return your original investment. Buy a new Bull Armory with the interest earned. Then send you pics of me using it. By this time you will be cured of FOMO. Your wife will be happy as you didn’t waste the$ on a new gun and instead received your entire investment back and sought counseling for your addiction.
This is a win/win for all parties involved.

 

[Dobermann]

I really wish I had not asked for the link.

I've been very, very impressed with it so far ... fit in and finish are streaks ahead of the Tisas. Slide is smoother than my (admittedly old) CZ. I haven't had higher-end 1911s to compare it with, but have handled a Colt, and in that very particular sample of 1:1, the Bul has the edge.

I think it's an odd brand - apparently can be hard to get in the US. Some not keen on due to the country of origin.

And it's almost as if there's an inverse bell curve online of focus on high-end 1911s (say, from Staccatos up to Atlas etc) and low-end. I think Bul in general is regarded as something of the middle ground, which there doesn't seem to be as much interest in - people wanting a cheap entry can go for Turkish models, and Ben Stoeger's quote on Bul was that "people who get Buls are just the people who can't afford Staccatos". I don't quite understand this position, as he's been testing a Kimber fairly extensively.

So the people left reviewing them (on YT at least) are a mix of newish/wannabe guntubers, or some folks who know how to shoot, and have raved about the Buls .. but aren't necessarily taken seriously by "serious" comp guys. But when you strip away the personalities (and have some skepticism about guntuber content), the folks who've used them tend to overwelmingly have good things to report.

Personally, I don't need high-end, but don't have enough time or skills to mess with things that will take some work to get them up to speed. Perhaps Bul is somewhat like the Tikka of the 1911 world?

 

[TitsMcGee]

the people left reviewing them (on YT at least) are a mix of newish/wannabe guntubers, or some folks who know how to shoot, and have raved about the Buls .. but aren't necessarily taken seriously by "serious" comp guys. But when you strip away the personalities (and have some skepticism about guntuber content), the folks who've used them tend to overwelmingly have good things to report.

I always take guntuber reviews with the smallest grain of salt you can imagine. Nightwood guns seems the most honest and unbiased from what I've seen. Plus the guy can shoot, and he's a super nerd. He loves his Bul pistols. From what I've heard Bul perform at, or sometimes slightly above the level of Staccatos similar specd models but they have a worse warranty. It's only 1 year and apparently people in the past have had a hard time getting them to honor it.

 

[Dobermann]

I always take guntuber reviews with the smallest grain of salt you can imagine. Nightwood guns seems the most honest and unbiased from what I've seen. Plus the guy can shoot, and he's a super nerd. He loves his Bul pistols. From what I've heard Bul perform at, or sometimes slightly above the level of Staccatos similar specd models but they have a worse warranty. It's only 1 year and apparently people in the past have had a hard time getting them to honor it.

I pay little attention to them also - other than the couple who aren't in it for the views, and are happy to criticise, such as Ben and Joel.

But I find things can be learnt from some of the others who've done some long-form videos - just have to ignore the fluff and gushies, and listen out for failures, issues, etc. I find that if I laser in on the stuff that matters, there's sometimes surprisingly more than would first seem.

 

[TitsMcGee]

Also looking hard at the MAC 9 DS. Question about the MAC, comp or no comp?

I think it depends what you want to do with it, and also personal preference. Non-island comps and ports seem to have a less dramatic, or diminishing effect on perceived recoil the longer the barrel is. If you shoot indoors frequently they're a little louder and more percussive. There's also the potential to be hit with hot shrapnel shooting with a port/comp when shooting from retention if you plan to carry it, so that's something to keep in mind. They do make a difference though.

When I was shopping around the comp'd models were about $150-$200 more. If you compete they would put you in the open division. I went with non-comp because it was cheaper, and after all of my panic buying is up in August I want to start getting into local competitions with some work buddies. If you don't plan to compete, carry it, or shoot indoors primarily then comp is probably the way to go.

 

[ztc92]

What height did you end up doing for the sights? Where is your impact at now?

Update on the Dawson sights, they are excellent and an huge upgrade from the factory option. So much easier to get on target and stay on target with the black rear and fiber optic front.

The impact height seems about perfect using the system on their website. I question if the rear sight needs a slight adjustment or if I just need more practice. I will shoot my Glock dead center if I focus on a good trigger pull but I’m still learning the Tisas so it may be me causing it to shoot left.

This Tisas continues to impress me. Shooting in the cold (16 degrees today) I really disliked my Glock as the trigger and slide movement was very “snappy” and uncomfortable with cold fingers and hands. The Tisas 1911 is much nicer in terms of recoil and much more comfortable to shoot with cold hands as a result. It ran 5 different ammo types without any issues today and shoots 124 HSTs very well.

 

[Formidilosus]

Post-justification/rationalization reaction: “The universe is telling me to change all of my pistols to the 1911 platform, and this is how I can do it ‘economically’!”

Correct.

 

[Formidilosus]

What is it about these versus the others that shows such promise? And if true a 4" or 4.25 length would be cool to see in the future. Also assuming grip size is not 1911 but 2011 (staccato, tisas ds) sized.

They have shown a huge move towards making reliable guns again with the 2k11. They have taken that and applied it to the Warrior DS, but in a classic 1911 style. They are making a big deal about how their guns are being made to run straight out of the box, and what little I have seen they are very reminiscent of Staccato in 2019.


Yes they are true 2011 mags and frame.

eta - Do all Kimber 1911 have their schwartz grip safety?

You know, I don’t know. Kimber hasn’t been in contention for 20 years so I haven’t paid any attention to them.

have you looked at the new Springfield 10-8?

Briefly. It’s fine. I’m jaded however. Springfield broke apart their custom shop and discontinued the Pro. They were real pistols.

 

[Formidilosus]

Not to derail this any further but where do the pros in here stand on red dots on 1911's? Gotta have one if you can or messes with the aesthetic of the gun? I've always preferred the clean look of the classic 1911 but there's something fun about shooting with a dot as well.

If you want a dot on a 1911/2011- Aimpoint COA. Best choice.

Whether you want or need one is up to each person.

 

[Formidilosus]

Where do the kimber KDS9 series in your assessment?

Haven’t used them.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Colby new Colt that is getting some work done. Trigger wasn’t good, so installed a roll trigger. It needs a magwell and then look is correct-




Doesn’t shoot very well however:








It also got noticeably looser after only 30 rounds. So it is going to get a new barrel and bushing, magwell, and sights from the Drow.

 

[Dobermann]

Post-justification/rationalization reaction: “The universe is telling me to change all of my pistols to the 1911 platform, and this is how I can do it ‘economically’!”

I'll see you and raise you:

A big part of the reason I bought my black 1911 (after this thread and others) was ... it was the last one available - and was discounted.

The reason I bought the matching stainless model was ... it was the last one available, and was being discounted.

I'd really like the Commander-length SOF ... all I need to do is wait for my local dealer's pre-order notice: they offer pre-orders ... wait for it ... at a discount, which helps them to meet their minimum order amounts.

So: buy late, get cheap. Buy early, get cheap. Justified.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

@Colby new Colt that is getting some work done. Trigger wasn’t good, so installed a roll trigger. It needs a magwell and then look is correct-

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Doesn’t shoot very well however:
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It also got noticeably looser after only 30 rounds. So it is going to get a new barrel and bushing, magwell, and sights from the Drow.

Any opinions on the special combat government?

 

[fwafwow]

If you want a dot on a 1911/2011- Aimpoint COA. Best choice.

Whether you want or need one is up to each person.

Are those available only thru (and on) a Glock?