1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

[Formidilosus]

Just guessing...

Tisas 1911A1 DESPERADO - .38 Super/9MM

38 super is a very different cartridge than 9mm, and does not have the same issue in 1911’s that 9mm has.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

38 super is a very different cartridge than 9mm, and does not have the same issue in 1911’s that 9mm has.

Yeah I just noticed Tisas has a 1911 model that's chambered to shoot both 38 super and 9mm.

 

[Bluumoon]

@Formidilosus, on pistol drills what should a fella be trying to achieve on time to first shot? A la the bear drill or bill drill if every shot must be in the black?

 

[UnckleBob]

Well, to start- why not just a G19?

Thanks for this thread. I have enjoyed following along even though I sold my 1911's a while back.

 

[Formidilosus]

@Formidilosus, on pistol drills what should a fella be trying to achieve on time to first shot? A la the bear drill or bill drill if every shot must be in the black?

From a draw, hands relaxed at sides- on demand every time in the black- sub 2 seconds.

 

[Bluumoon]

From a draw, hands relaxed at sides- on demand every time in the black- sub 2 seconds.

This seems attainable… 2 secs is within reach. Much faster than that I’m not sure.

 

[Formidilosus]

This seems attainable… 2 secs is within reach. Much faster than that I’m not sure.

Ehh. It’s all within reach. Grin.

 

[Dobermann]

This seems attainable… 2 secs is within reach. Much faster than that I’m not sure.

I'm pretty sure that if I can do it ... you can do it.

 

[Castle Rock]

My daughter was at least very close to that at 13

 

[NSI]

Well, the grip is substantially larger in the P (or any other true 2011 mag version) than the C. Even for competing I would rather have the C for that reason, and .4” of barrel isn’t enough difference to matter.

Interesting. So pistols like the Tisas b9rds are using P sized grips not C sized grips due to use of standard 2011 mags?

-J

 

[Formidilosus]

Interesting. So pistols like the Tisas b9rds are using P sized grips not C sized grips due to use of standard 2011 mags?

-J

Correct.

 

[stealthgoat]

Yeah I just noticed Tisas has a 1911 model that's chambered to shoot both 38 super and 9mm.

just to clarify, that has two different barrels, not one barrel that works for either chambering. Many of us with Supers also have another barrel in 9mm, 9x23, etc.

 

[NSI]

Correct.

So if we were to focus only on scaled-down DS and SS 9mm 1911s besides the Staccato c/cs that would leave us with … the Wilson edc x9? Springfield EMP? Anything else?

Do the Glock mag DS 1911s like the platypus and HD or the 320 mag options like the OA and Sig appear to be scaled down in front to back grip girth?

-J

 

[Formidilosus]

So if we were to focus only on scaled-down DS and SS 9mm 1911s besides the Staccato c/cs that would leave us with … the Wilson edc x9? Springfield EMP? Anything else?

I would call the EDC x9 a 2011 or 1921 really.

Staccato C/CS, EMP, and Bul makes one.

Do the Glock mag DS 1911s like the platypus and HD or the 320 mag options like the OA and Sig appear to be scaled down in front to back grip girth?

-J

They are a bit smaller than 2011’s. But, generally blocky and not the same as the C/CS.

 

[NSI]

Thanks. BTW we ran the “lose your job if you throw one” 7 yard A zone bill drill at the local USPSA comp this morning as an optional cold start. 1 GM shot a clean 2.4 with a red dot glock, three As shot clean mid 3s and 4s (3.50 for me with a shadow 2 irons), and an A and 4 Bs failed with sub 3 times. The latter were shocked they failed - newer shooters in general struggle with “gas pedal” IME.

My normal time isn’t blazing (2.5) but adding a second made it seem glacial and I had a luxurious sight picture every time I pressed the trigger. I still struggle to see how tier 1 guys could possibly take multiple seconds longer but I trust your experience. I’ll video a string of 10 must-alpha bills in a row starting cold at any distance that pleases the crowd, next range trip. My mediocrity may serve science.

-J

 

[Dobermann]

I would call the EDC x9 a 2011 or 1921 really.

Staccato C/CS, EMP, and Bul makes one.

Form, do you happen to know which Bul model?

They seem to revise their models nearly every year - and not all are available here.

I picked up a Bul 1911 based on your info here, but curious about a 2011 - and Staccatos are not available here (unless one wanted to try to directly import, which is complicated) ...

 

[RockAndSage]

So if we were to focus only on scaled-down DS and SS 9mm 1911s besides the Staccato c/cs that would leave us with … the Wilson edc x9? Springfield EMP? Anything else?

Are you asking about viable SAOs in the Commander/G19 size range?

 

[NSI]

Are you asking about viable SAOs in the Commander/G19 size range?

Specifically - pistols scaled to 9mm mag specific grip size with 1911 or 2011 grip ergonomics and a a straight to the rear 1911 style SAO trigger.

-J

 

[RockAndSage]

Specifically - pistols scaled to 9mm mag specific grip size with 1911 or 2011 grip ergonomics and a a straight to the rear 1911 style SAO trigger.

-J

The Dan Wesson DWX line seems like it would meet what you're looking for, at least as much as the EDC X9 would. DWX grip is more CZ, but internals, controls, and slide are 1911, with a Glock or Sig-style barrel, with a lot less friction surface than the lugs and link stuff on 1911 and CZ-75 barrels. If you've already got a lot of time on a Shadow 2, it might make for a convenient transition. The full-size DWX uses P-09/P-10 mags, while the Compact uses CZ-75 mags. I've been running the hell out of a Compact for awhile, and love it.

 

[Grumman]

Specifically - pistols scaled to 9mm mag specific grip size with 1911 or 2011 grip ergonomics and a a straight to the rear 1911 style SAO trigger.

-J

Wilson’s SFX9 is a good pistol. I have the 4” model and I think it carries concealed a little better than my C did. It is a noticeably thinner grip than the Wilson X9.


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