1911’s in general, 9mm versions specifically

Yea we are on vacation and I just read about the poor airman. I’m a couple of days behind in the news. Just a shame.


It’s a lot more than the latest incident. While the hysteria may be overblown, there are issues. And now that it isn’t hard to get a 9mm 1911 that works, I can’t see the reason to choose the Sig.
 
It’s a lot more than the latest incident. While the hysteria may be overblown, there are issues. And now that it isn’t hard to get a 9mm 1911 that works, I can’t see the reason to choose the Sig.
You used to be called a conspiracy theorist if you thought the p320s had issues. Excuses like aftermarket triggers, blaming the person handling the gun, etc only work for so long as more reports come out. That combined with sig's poor response have me passing on sigs for a while.
 
You used to be called a conspiracy theorist if you thought the p320s had issues. Excuses like aftermarket triggers, blaming the person handling the gun, etc only work for so long as more reports come out. That combined with sig's poor response have me passing on sigs for a while.

There certainly were a lot of issues with people and 320’s- it is an unforgiving pistol of poor gun-handling. There were issues with holsters. If it weren’t for the initial drop firing issue, and the unforgiving nature of the pistol- I think it is very likely that the actual 1 in 1,000,000 pistols or whatever that have tolerance stacking and issues would have just been swept away as poor gun handling. But, with those- there are too many people watching for issues now.
 
There certainly were a lot of issues with people and 320’s- it is an unforgiving pistol of poor gun-handling. There were issues with holsters. If it weren’t for the initial drop firing issue, and the unforgiving nature of the pistol- I think it is very likely that the actual 1 in 1,000,000 pistols or whatever that have tolerance stacking and issues would have just been swept away as poor gun handling. But, with those- there are too many people watching for issues now.
Agree. They have no margin for error now because any issue is magnified. Fortunately there are other options that don't have these issues like you mentioned before.
 
It’s a lot more than the latest incident. While the hysteria may be overblown, there are issues. And now that it isn’t hard to get a 9mm 1911 that works, I can’t see the reason to choose the Sig.
I was thinking it was the same with the hysteria, till this incident. I found out today, the thumb safety on the M17/18/320 isn’t really the same type safety I was thinking it was. Hopefully they can get it straight. But has anyone heard of any issues with the 365? I haven’t ? But it is a different system from what I have read…..thanks again for this thread.
 
You used to be called a conspiracy theorist if you thought the p320s had issues. Excuses like aftermarket triggers, blaming the person handling the gun, etc only work for so long as more reports come out. That combined with sig's poor response have me passing on sigs for a while.
I was certainly one that dismissed the UD. Seems like several things would have to fail for it to happen, which seemed extremely unlikely to me, but wouldn't the first time I was wrong. In this case, being an M18, it had the addition of a manual safety, which would normally be engaged in a holster. Makes it even more strange.

I have to wonder if the military is going to scrap the Sigs and go back to the drawing board...?
 
There certainly were a lot of issues with people and 320’s- it is an unforgiving pistol of poor gun-handling. There were issues with holsters. If it weren’t for the initial drop firing issue, and the unforgiving nature of the pistol- I think it is very likely that the actual 1 in 1,000,000 pistols or whatever that have tolerance stacking and issues would have just been swept away as poor gun handling. But, with those- there are too many people watching for issues now.

Agreed. But I think even more than those things, them taking the stand they did with their "It Ends Today" campaign made it so much worse. They instantly became a meme "It NDs Today" and it drove way more scrutiny and backlash. Looks like rightfully so.

I sold my XTen shortly after the problems became apparent. Amazing shooting gun. It's really a shame.
 
I was thinking it was the same with the hysteria, till this incident. I found out today, the thumb safety on the M17/18/320 isn’t really the same type safety I was thinking it was. Hopefully they can get it straight. But has anyone heard of any issues with the 365? I haven’t ? But it is a different system from what I have read…..thanks again for this thread.

The P365 is a completely different striker and trigger mechanism. They are fine.
 
I was certainly one that dismissed the UD. Seems like several things would have to fail for it to happen, which seemed extremely unlikely to me, but wouldn't the first time I was wrong. In this case, being an M18, it had the addition of a manual safety, which would normally be engaged in a holster. Makes it even more strange.

Unfortunately it’s not several things that has to fail, just one. The P320 had a fully tensioned (cocked) striker. All that has to go wrong for the pistol to fire is for the lever holding the striker to move (IIRC only something like .003”). It is a very unforgiving design from multiple angles.
 
Unfortunately it’s not several things that has to fail, just one. The P320 had a fully tensioned (cocked) striker. All that has to go wrong for the pistol to fire is for the lever holding the striker to move (IIRC only something like .003”). It is a very unforgiving design from multiple angles.
I've never messed with one, but wouldn't the striker block safety normally stop the striker in that case? The SBS should be engaged unless the trigger is also pulled...(???). My thought was that both would have to fail at the same time.

Caniks, Walthers (P99s and others), and some other striker fired pistols also have fully cocked strikers, AFAIK, but don't seem to suffer the same problems...???
 
I've never messed with one, but wouldn't the striker block safety normally stop the striker in that case? The SBS should be engaged unless the trigger is also pulled...(???). My thought was that both would have to fail at the same time.

Caniks, Walthers (P99s and others), and some other striker fired pistols also have fully cocked strikers, AFAIK, but don't seem to suffer the same problems...???


The FBI BRF report is now public and explains part of the issue.


This video also does to an extent-

 
I've never messed with one, but wouldn't the striker block safety normally stop the striker in that case? The SBS should be engaged unless the trigger is also pulled...(???). My thought was that both would have to fail at the same time.

Caniks, Walthers (P99s and others), and some other striker fired pistols also have fully cocked strikers, AFAIK, but don't seem to suffer the same problems...???
Something I notice is that the Stryker blocks of those pistols (can even include Glock, M&P, and 365) they all appear similar in function and design. It’s the 320 that appears to be the different than the others.
 
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