jmez
WKR
All I shoot when grouse hunting. Sometimes for pheasants.Anyone use a 410 for anything other than slow moving turkeys or squirrels and rabbits?
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All I shoot when grouse hunting. Sometimes for pheasants.Anyone use a 410 for anything other than slow moving turkeys or squirrels and rabbits?
I don’t disagree with the fact that for most upland birds anything over 20 can be overkill. My wife uses a 20 every year for turkey as well. My only problem with some of the gauges besides 12 and 20 is the availability of the rounds. I don’t find myself forgetting to bring my ammo on trips but I like to know that if I did I can find what I need easily and it’s hard to argue with the availability of 20 and 12 gauge ammo!Switched from a 12 gauge Benelli SBE to exclusively shooting 28 Tri-Star Bristol SxS this year for upland birds, out west chasing Chukars, Huns, Quail, and Pheasants. I am shooting over a GSP and Black Lab.
I have found that if I do my part right inside of 35 yards the birds crunch dead strictly shooting #6 lead all season with a Modified and IM choke (except chukars, a 20 would be nice in those rugged mountains). The reduced recoil, follow-up shots, and less damaged birds have been the upside.
I missed birds this year don't get me wrong but the difference between 28 and 12 killing power was minmal (maybe 10-20 birds a season)
I am curious what everyone's thoughts are on the 12 vs sub gauges for Upland Birds. I am convinced that anything over 20 is overkill for Upland Birds.
With the right load you can do that. Tss is some wicked stuff.I want a gun that can dump giant Canada's at 50 yards, roosters at 40 and teal at 10 all on the same hunt if needed.
If I'm busting catails for roosters and a flock of mallards buzzes over at 40, I want one for the roaster.
So for that reason. I carry a 12.
And 12-20 birds is not a small number.
But I bet... if I carried a 28 for a change of pace. It would be a fun change up.
Shoot on average 2 cases at waterfowl a year not counting spring snow goose. Tss i would need a second jobWith the right load you can do that. Tss is some wicked stuff.
16 gauge ammo is easy to find. You won’t always buy it local, but who cares? Order a case or two at time when you can find a free shipping deal.
All i own are 12 ga.Switched from a 12 gauge Benelli SBE to exclusively shooting 28 Tri-Star Bristol SxS this year for upland birds, out west chasing Chukars, Huns, Quail, and Pheasants. I am shooting over a GSP and Black Lab.
I have found that if I do my part right inside of 35 yards the birds crunch dead strictly shooting #6 lead all season with a Modified and IM choke (except chukars, a 20 would be nice in those rugged mountains). The reduced recoil, follow-up shots, and less damaged birds have been the upside.
I missed birds this year don't get me wrong but the difference between 28 and 12 killing power was minmal (maybe 10-20 birds a season)
I am curious what everyone's thoughts are on the 12 vs sub gauges for Upland Birds. I am convinced that anything over 20 is overkill for Upland Birds.
Wouldn't you have a higher pattern density at a longer distance with say a 2oz 3.5in 12ga than a 1 1/8oz 3in 20ga with the same choke? Both moving the same speed, but at say 50 yards, wouldn't the 12ga with a lot more shot, maintain a higher density at the same yards?Knowing that regardless of gauge, your shot is the same size moving at the same velocity. And your choke determines pattern density. The only difference in a tuned shotgun should be the diameter of the spread. You should have the same density in a 410. As a 12g. So the only question is, "are you talented enough to shoot a 16 inch pattern. Or do you require a 30 inch pattern to hit your target?
If you think that a 12g "puts more rounds on target" then your gun isn't tuned properly.
The larger bore of the 12 should print a broader pattern even with the same choke. For this we look at the 3rd dimension of your pattern which is shot string. One thing larger bores have in advantage is the "flatness" of the pattern. Compared to a narrow bore creates a long string. Meaning from the time the first pellet hits the target compared to the time the last pellet hits. This cannot be measured on paper really only with high speed cameras. However I would argue on a stationary target like turkey having a long string is advantageous. On crossing birds not so much.Wouldn't you have a higher pattern density at a longer distance with say a 2oz 3.5in 12ga than a 1 1/8oz 3in 20ga with the same choke? Both moving the same speed, but at say 50 yards, wouldn't the 12ga with a lot more shot, maintain a higher density at the same yards?