ZeroTech TRACE ADV 3-18×44 FFP Shoot2Hunt

[mt terry d]

S2H Smaller dimensions
Turrets more positive and shorter
Reticle with the windage cheats are nice
Though i did not shoot it yet it does appear that box in the reticle will be a plus
Parallax adjustment doesn't require a pipe wrench to turn.
I don't know the weight difference, easy to look up but I'm not counting ounces anyway

I should add this caveat

This is not to imply the Maven isn't a good or even great scope. It is.
It's just that I think the S2H is *probably better overall

* I would need to use it for a little to say that with certainty

 

[Stocky]

This is the most annoying thing ive found in the Maven. 223 is a non issue but Medium Sportsmatchs are a no go and have mounted the March instead due ti the oversized turrets.

 

[7PRC Pharmacy]

Finally caved and preordered one after all the talk of it being better glass than the maven. Hopefully the turrets are less stiff than the maven too because those suckers are tough to turn.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

This is the most annoying thing ive found in the Maven. 223 is a non issue but Medium Sportsmatchs are a no go and have mounted the March instead due ti the oversized turrets.

That’s not unique to the Maven, unfortunately. The SWFA gen2s can do that too.

 

[Stocky]

That’s not unique to the Maven, unfortunately. The SWFA gen2s can do that too.

Yeh im aware just its the only serious issue I have with the maven. The March 3-24 is hard to beat except cost and availability if you pretend its a 3-18.

 

[TradLife406]

Finally caved and preordered one after all the talk of it being better glass than the maven. Hopefully the turrets are less stiff than the maven too because those suckers are tough to turn.

I actually shot one for basically an entire day.
I love my mavens. But you look through a ZT and it's like wow! The glass is so much better. Not saying maven glass is bad, but that ZT is on another level.
Then the marks on the turrets are turret function is better.

 

[Odd1out]

This is the most annoying thing ive found in the Maven. 223 is a non issue but Medium Sportsmatchs are a no go and have mounted the March instead due ti the oversized turrets.

Is that slowed down? Cycle it like your life depends on it and it sorts that issue out. Most actions are designed to be cycled quickly.

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[Stocky]

Is that slowed down? Cycle it like your life depends on it and it sorts that issue out. Most actions are designed to be cycled quickly.

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No it doesn't. Its worse fast. I slowed it down to confirm the issue.

I dont care how I cycle the bolt it should feed and eject 100%. The 223 does at all speeds.

 

[Castle Rock]

The sauer 100s are even worse
You would think that is this day and age they would design actions to eject horizontally

 

[Dobermann]

Also if someone can sell me their kahles range book, that would be great lol

Last I checked, they were still available commercially. I bought one, mainly out of allegiance to Thomas, but I found it didn't offer me much in a range book beyond what I already had printed out, so sold it ...

 

[Coopsdaddy]

@BBarnett13 not a bad idea, let me just reach out to kahles first and see what they say. For all we know, there might be a new book coming out

Emailed them last week and all they said is it’s no longer available.

 

[Odd1out]

No it doesn't. Its worse fast. I slowed it down to confirm the issue.

I dont care how I cycle the bolt it should feed and eject 100%. The 223 does at all speeds.

I argee with this whole heartily. My struggles are with decent feeding. I still haven't found a combo that works 100percent of the time.

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[mlevimadden]

That’s not unique to the Maven, unfortunately. The SWFA gen2s can do that too.

My LRHS does it in low rings too. No ejection issues with medium rings or if I remove the windage cap.

 

[Stocky]

I argee with this whole heartily. My struggles are with decent feeding. I still haven't found a combo that works 100percent of the time.

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What rifle?

 

[Odd1out]

What rifle?

Tikka, factory bottom metal/plastic, factory mag

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[TradLife406]

Last I checked, they were still available commercially. I bought one, mainly out of allegiance to Thomas, but I found it didn't offer me much in a range book beyond what I already had printed out, so sold it ...

I've looked a few times and no dice. Anyone know of an alternative?

 

[Stocky]

Tikka, factory bottom metal/plastic, factory mag

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Interesting what cartridge my initial 223 had some issues but solved that.

 

[Dobermann]

I've looked a few times and no dice. Anyone know of an alternative?

and @Halligan and @Coopsdaddy - I just checked, and the place I got mine doesn't have any in stock, and the half-dozen results I checked are all showing as discontinued.

Been a few years since I had one; my main recollection is that apart from a few of Thomas's handy reference images, most of the pages just looked like the one one the product pages:



So ... should be fairly easy to print out Thomas's aide memoire / practical field shooting images and run out a bunch of the above and put into a Tactical Notebook Cover or something similar (https://tacticalnotebookcovers.com/).

Not sure if Impact Data Books might have a page that would have something like the above - after all, beyond the conditions, the main benefit of the Kahles book was allowing shooter error analysis - just using the circle above. (So it wasn't a rangebook that had lots of field reference info, or one for recording lots of dope - it was mainly the circle above and you did your own annotations based on observing your own fundamentals in the moment.)

IDB homepage here: https://www.impactdatabooks.com/default.asp

Circle page (for example) here: https://www.impactdatabooks.com/Circle_p/s-cir.htm