ZeroTech TRACE ADV 3-18×44 FFP Shoot2Hunt

[B_Reynolds_AK]

I'm not understanding how creating a bracket 0 to 0.4, 0.4 to 0.8, and 0.8 to 1.4 is all that helpful. If a dude doesn't know wind he doesn't know wind. How do you recall what consititutes low/med/heavy for a given gun without just knowing your mph gun # anyway?

I need to be convinced as well. Wind brackets just correlate to BDC for me.

 

[wind gypsy]

We can't all be a wind gypsy.

The reticle is designed around 6xc doing its thing.

I put my Zp5 on a 6 creed intentionally.

I read Form's explanation again and he said out to 5-600 yards. My brain is starting to get it now and I can see how it would be quick in a limited # of shot circumstances when you aren't aiming at small targets.

My initial thought was well 300 yards and 700 yards are a lot different, how does one pick a bracket.. But if a guy just figured it was set at lets say 500 yards you could have set brackets for certain speeds and just cheat a little if its a little longer or shorter. Most of us shouldn't be extending past that on game anyway. Hopefully a quick and dirty way to land within a couple tenths?

Not sure I'd use it that way but it's starting to click at least.

 

[omicron1792]

I read Form's explanation again and he said out to 5-600 yards. My brain is starting to get it now and I can see how it would be quick in a limited # of shot circumstances when you aren't aiming at small targets.

My initial thought was well 300 yards and 700 yards are a lot different, how does one pick a bracket.. But if a guy just figured it was set at lets say 500 yards you could have set brackets for certain speeds and just cheat a little if its a little longer or shorter. Most of us shouldn't be extending past that on game anyway. Hopefully a quick and dirty way to land within a couple tenths?

Not sure I'd use it that way but it's starting to click at least.

There is a video on here of the maker of the reticle with Cliff for an hour explaining it. Basically this is good to 5-600 yards with about 70% of calibers. A really fast or slow cartridges don’t work. Anything over about 600 you have to use more specific wind calls.

The wind is identified by how it affects grass.

Seems to be about like quick drop but for wind. Good enough solutions in quick scenarios

 

[omicron1792]

 

[Coopsdaddy]

I'm not understanding how creating a bracket 0 to 0.4, 0.4 to 0.8, and 0.8 to 1.4 is all that helpful. If a dude doesn't know wind he doesn't know wind. How do you recall what consititutes low/med/heavy for a given gun without just knowing your mph gun # anyway?

I don’t either.
They need a white board and explain it to us in detail.
I have listened to the podcasts but still no comprehenda!

 

[Okie_Poke]

I don’t pretend to understand. But I suck at the wind so it can’t make me any worse.

ETA: I rewatched the wind bracket video. It’s definitely intended as “quick wind” at 400-500 yards on relatively large targets. At 500 yards, the short and medium brackets span 7.2”. That’s probably about the limit of what I’d be willing to use those brackets for, especially hunting. But that covers quite a bit of scenarios:

• If wind under 5 mph value equivalent, bracket vitals with low.
• If wind 5-10 mph equivalent, bracket vitals medium.
• If wind more than 10 mph full value equivalent, or distance more than 500 yards, I need to rethink what I’m doing and slow down anyway.

Interested to try it anyway. If it doesn’t work, there’s still .2 mil hash marks.

 

[nm.otter]

Anything over about 600 you have to use more specific wind calls.

...and the rest of the horizontal stadia, which look clear and simple to me.

 

[Nine Banger]

The only things I've noticed that I don't like about the THLR reticle so far since I've been shooting with it is the "aim short" dot and the box lines around the center dot.

"Aim short" got me one time shooting fast where I committed as though that was the actual center dot. That was early on.

The box lines are hard for me to see in timber until I get around 15x.

Form fixed that stuff in the version that's coming.

 

[Halligan]

I’ve watched a ton of @THLR ’s content and he further explains wind bracketing while on the range. The gist is that if we assume a 15cm kill zone (approx 7”) @ 500m, you can center the zone in the bracket and should whack it if you do your part within reason. It just accounts for margin of error in wind calling.

Of course this is calibrated for those mid-level velocity cartridges mentioned earlier. If you fall outside those bound, just calibrate and ur good.

I’ll see if I can find the episode and post it.

Edit: should be episodes 367 and 369 on his channel

Also if someone can sell me their kahles range book, that would be great lol

 

[mt terry d]

Tell me your thoughts.

S2H Smaller dimensions
Turrets more positive and shorter
Reticle with the windage cheats are nice
Though i did not shoot it yet it does appear that box in the reticle will be a plus
Parallax adjustment doesn't require a pipe wrench to turn.
I don't know the weight difference, easy to look up but I'm not counting ounces anyway

 

[Bluumoon]

I don’t pretend to understand. But I suck at the wind so it can’t make me any worse.

ETA: I rewatched the wind bracket video. It’s definitely intended as “quick wind” at 400-500 yards on relatively large targets. At 500 yards, the short and medium brackets span 7.2”. That’s probably about the limit of what I’d be willing to use those brackets for, especially hunting. But that covers quite a bit of scenarios:

• If wind under 5 mph value equivalent, bracket vitals with low.
• If wind 5-10 mph equivalent, bracket vitals medium.
• If wind more than 10 mph full value equivalent, or distance more than 500 yards, I need to rethink what I’m doing and slow down anyway.

Interested to try it anyway. If it doesn’t work, there’s still .2 mil hash marks.

Basic answer is almost no one can judge wind accurately, but you can likely figure out light/medium/heavy wind.

If you determine light wind and a wobble vitals stay inside light wind bracket shoot.

If you determine medium wind and wobble stays inside medium bracket shoot.


If you determine heavy wind and wobble stays inside heavy wind bracket, you should prob get closer no matter what

 

[nm.otter]

Basic answer is almost no one can judge wind accurately, but you can likely figure out light/medium/heavy wind.

...even in a hurry.

 

[BBarnett13]

Also if someone can sell me their kahles range book, that would be great lol

Just go right to the source:

https://www.riteintherain.com/no-d746-dope-logbook#D746