Your ~max hunting distances and time of flight relationships?

[Stinky Coyote]

excellent cya boys, I agree with all that, so your typical field limits have a more variable range all the way up to your min impact velocities essentially, ~1800 fps, depending on size of game etc. you are prepared enough to push your gears capabilities

you'll laugh, my 1800 fps is now 420 yards but I took a fat doe at exactly that this year quartering and she dropped, textbook placement, exited with brilliant internal damage, everything atop the heart destroyed, from a little 6.5 123gr eld-m, that's actually our outer limit on big game as I agree with 1800 fps min impact, although I know exactly what my bullet will do on deer at 1700 fps as have seen recovered example so a doe perhaps or trying to finish...it's not out of possibility to go for that which is 500 yards and I'm practiced/prepared to go that far

lotsa guys here shoot rigs that 2 to 2.5x my effective range lol, it's all good, we choose our gear for a reason and then work within our own limits inside the gears limits, furthest I've practiced to was 928 with my 800 yard rig and landed within 5" of point of aim across a large basin as I carried the data to go beyond my dial up/on rifle set-up, things I do with all rigs...the imaginary sheep etc...keep that confidence high out there

man those are big league elevation dial ups and wind holds, 20' and 5' type stuff, that's amazing, you'll never hear me criticize this, I still put in more work to be better than the average hunter and still get grief from ethics police, I don't judge the nuts behind the wheel, if you've done the work you're in charge, a lot of us tend to quit around the 6.5' and 2' dial up and wind levels

 

[Stinky Coyote]

For me personally, my maximum shooting distance limit on big game is 600 (+/-) yards, MAX! I've only once tried a shot that far, although all rifles can certainly do it on their own if they knew how to sight and fire themselves (lol).

you and me both, even when I was shooting much more hp than I am now, steel is one thing, once moving to coyotes and big game you tend to find out pretty quick that is different and you reign it in some, it seems a lot of us end up in this bracket and it does make me wonder about a possible inadvertent tof relationship/trend which would be directly related to the amount of elevation/wind we dial/hold, they are tied together

thanks for the info, need more players/data now

should I have done it as a poll, I'm not that forum savvy, I can type fast that's about it, took typing back in high school when no dudes did, I sure didn't take it because I wanted to learn to type but it's come in handy

give us your personal approx. max hunting distances and if you don't mind looking it up...tof, if not I'll run the numbers quick if you give me some details about your rig, velocity/bc etc.

 

[hereinaz]

I put up my massive comment into a thread here for discussion to stop derailing you. https://www.rokslide.com/forums/threads/11-how-do-you-determine-maximum-range.262983/

For your data collection, here are some rifles I have in my ballistic app for friends with their personal max. Only my buddy with the 280AI maxes distance out to 1800 fps.

One buddy shoots a 280 AI with 168 grain VLD and his max is 700 yards with .907 TOF.
Another shoots a 6.5 PRC and his max is 700 yards with a .88 TOF

 

[Stinky Coyote]

good info hereinaz, I'm sure you'll see me hit your thread as well, trends and patterns can help perspective, perspectives can help choose even better tailored options to what our goals may be

 

[hereinaz]

Yep, I agree, its all about learning. I lurk around and take in what everyone else is saying.

 

[Rock-o]

The range I practice on goes to 800 yards. I have shot to 1000. While hunting I would not take an 800 yard shot. Probably 600 is max, if not less. Depends on the environment and the setup. For the purpose of responding to the thread I'll use 600. My load gets the bullet there in .73 seconds.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

right on, more of that please, that's exactly where I spent the bulk of my shooting days/cartridge selections and tof's even though I didn't pay attention to tof at the time

 

[Stinky Coyote]

The range I practice on goes to 800 yards. I have shot to 1000. While hunting I would not take an 800 yard shot. Probably 600 is max, if not less. Depends on the environment and the setup. For the purpose of responding to the thread I'll use 600. My load gets the bullet there in .73 seconds.

from the mil-moa poll thread I'll respond to you here to keep that one less muddy, inches/moa/mils

your 600 yard .73 tof with a modern bullet, your full value 10 mph wind hold is about 18" of wind hold...at your likely maximum outer limit for shot on game....and most of us won't even look at that shot in wind like that, we will move closer or wait for near perfect conditions (no wind to maybe 5 mph)

so lets say you'd be happy with your 600 yard opportunity within a 5 mph crosswind, that's 9" man, I am assuming you handle a few inches several times a day and most of us who are very fluent in a tape measure understands on game sizing, the kill zones we are visualizing under the hide, heart, lungs, ribs...in all reality most of our wind holds on game situations ~400 is nudging the reticle into the wind a few inches and meat is in the freezer but a 600 yard 5mph extreme is only a few more inches...9"

and you're gonna try and tell me still...that mils is the best system even for your own hunting? to try and deal with porn star length unit of wind hold? I'm gonna argue with that lol

I think what a lot of people AREN'T doing is looking at their ballistics at all their elevations/temps in ALL THREE units, to their likely max on game in field situations, inches,moa,mils...to data mine...and then figure out the simplest system for hunting knowing that KISS principle is born from hunting.

You don't think there's a reason those three measurement choices present in ballistics calculation selection choices? Inches was here first and we often get things right first. Don't give up on it guys...it's fast and effective for 'hunting'. Don't rule it out because it doesn't fit into some competitive target shooting trend of the moment. Not sure how many times guys get burned by their target gear afield but it's a lot, I've seen it enough and I hardly know people lol. You sure hear about it lots more of course...don't be that guy.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

an obvious derail but lets also keep the data coming, or maybe we've seen enough to get the trends?

anyone else wanna add some max hunting distances and their tof's?

 

[willfrye027]

from the mil-moa poll thread I'll respond to you here to keep that one less muddy, inches/moa/mils

your 600 yard .73 tof with a modern bullet, your full value 10 mph wind hold is about 18" of wind hold...at your likely maximum outer limit for shot on game....and most of us won't even look at that shot in wind like that, we will move closer or wait for near perfect conditions (no wind to maybe 5 mph)

so lets say you'd be happy with your 600 yard opportunity within a 5 mph crosswind, that's 9" man, I am assuming you handle a few inches several times a day and most of us who are very fluent in a tape measure understands on game sizing, the kill zones we are visualizing under the hide, heart, lungs, ribs...in all reality most of our wind holds on game situations ~400 is nudging the reticle into the wind a few inches and meat is in the freezer but a 600 yard 5mph extreme is only a few more inches...9"

and you're gonna try and tell me still...that mils is the best system even for your own hunting? to try and deal with porn star length unit of wind hold? I'm gonna argue with that lol

I think what a lot of people AREN'T doing is looking at their ballistics at all their elevations/temps in ALL THREE units, to their likely max on game in field situations, inches,moa,mils...to data mine...and then figure out the simplest system for hunting knowing that KISS principle is born from hunting.

You don't think there's a reason those three measurement choices present in ballistics calculation selection choices? Inches was here first and we often get things right first. Don't give up on it guys...it's fast and effective for 'hunting'. Don't rule it out because it doesn't fit into some competitive target shooting trend of the moment. Not sure how many times guys get burned by their target gear afield but it's a lot, I've seen it enough and I hardly know people lol. You sure hear about it lots more of course...don't be that guy.

My best shot was a 1mil (18in) hold at 500 on a pronghorn. I did practice that kind of shot enough to feel very comfortable..another 50-100 yards or less consistent wind would have not taken the shot. For me about 1mil of wind hold is absolute max on game and it has to be very consistent conditions for that. But this is a whole different convo..

 

[MeatMissile]

I was curious, as a non-LR guy, what my tof for my max range was for rifle and bow. Interesting enough, they’re both really close to the same at .5 seconds (400 yards rife, 45 yards bow). I wonder if there is any subconscious link?

Also, threads like this demonstrate how much more thought and practice goes into LR shooting. The LR guy isn’t the guy who buys a box of “hunting rounds” and makes that box stretch over 4 seasons.

 

[wind gypsy]

I was curious, as a non-LR guy, what my tof for my max range was for rifle and bow. Interesting enough, they’re both really close to the same at .5 seconds (400 yards rife, 45 yards bow). I wonder if there is any subconscious link?

Also, threads like this demonstrate how much more thought and practice goes into LR shooting. The LR guy isn’t the guy who buys a box of “hunting rounds” and makes that box stretch over 4 seasons.

My rifle is guaranteed half moa, i got a leupold with a custom CDS dial and a range finder so at 700 yards the group should be 3.5" or less. Why burn a bunch of money in ammo? (sarcastic)

 

[Lawnboi]

My rifle is guaranteed half moa, i got a leupold with a custom CDS dial and a range finder so at 700 yards the group should be 3.5" or less. Why burn a bunch of money in ammo? (sarcastic)

CDS who needs that, the spot where the reticle gets thicker on the post is my 583 yard reference.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

CDS who needs that, the spot where the reticle gets thicker on the post is my 583 yard reference.

Don’t even haha, the last time I got called out afield by my f-class buddy I used the lr duplex setup I had where hash marks ended at 450 and post thickening was 550. Our chosen bear of a lifetime we can’t get any closer we need to lay down right here and shoot was 575 in wicked quartering headwind so I held that post thicken top of back and a few extra inches than necessary for wind and put er in the kill zone laying in the ditch over my pack with my blaser k95 270 and 140 gr federal accubonds. With my wind advice and his custom 264 win mag flying super fast slippery hand loads he about bullseyed that imaginary bear but you know the moral of the story is...lmao, I was out maybe 2” on elevation and 3” on wind. Never assume your target rig and prep a gonna beat on a guy with a simple rig. The first time he called me out on sheep rock at 701 was also another factory 270 and 130 fusions I hit center super fast and he spined after much chart checking with his f-class rig.

Stop assuming you need target rigs and methods to kill shit at 600 lol

 

[Stinky Coyote]

My best shot was a 1mil (18in) hold at 500 on a pronghorn. I did practice that kind of shot enough to feel very comfortable..another 50-100 yards or less consistent wind would have not taken the shot. For me about 1mil of wind hold is absolute max on game and it has to be very consistent conditions for that. But this is a whole different convo..




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Well done Sir. It always comes down to the nut behind the wheel getting good with whatever he chooses. Also a good example of outer limit choices for most of us with that 18” wind. It’s too much of a lottery beyond that for the majority.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I was curious, as a non-LR guy, what my tof for my max range was for rifle and bow. Interesting enough, they’re both really close to the same at .5 seconds (400 yards rife, 45 yards bow). I wonder if there is any subconscious link?

Also, threads like this demonstrate how much more thought and practice goes into LR shooting. The LR guy isn’t the guy who buys a box of “hunting rounds” and makes that box stretch over 4 seasons.

Hopefully this thread sheds some light on if tof as related to live animals is a bit of a limiting factor we never really noticed before? Great info thankyou.

 

[Lawnboi]

Don’t even haha, the last time I got called out afield by my f-class buddy I used the lr duplex setup I had where hash marks ended at 450 and post thickening was 550. Our chosen bear of a lifetime we can’t get any closer we need to lay down right here and shoot was 575 in wicked quartering headwind so I held that post thicken top of back and a few extra inches than necessary for wind and put er in the kill zone laying in the ditch over my pack with my blaser k95 270 and 140 gr federal accubonds. With my wind advice and his custom 264 win mag flying super fast slippery hand loads he about bullseyed that imaginary bear but you know the moral of the story is...lmao, I was out maybe 2” on elevation and 3” on wind. Never assume your target rig and prep a gonna beat on a guy with a simple rig. The first time he called me out on sheep rock at 701 was also another factory 270 and 130 fusions I hit center super fast and he spined after much chart checking with his f-class rig.

Stop assuming you need target rigs and methods to kill shit at 600 lol

I’m not saying you do. Have you shot f class?

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I’m not saying you do. Have you shot f class?

No

 

[Rock-o]

...wind... wind hold... wind like that... (no wind...)

...crosswind... wind holds... into the wind

...wind hold

I'm not sure where all this talk of wind came from since neither thread started with any mention of it and I never specifically mentioned it either.

Anyway, yes, I'm still sure mils is best. It's ok, for you, if mils is not best. I'm not calling your system into question nor your ability. That would be dumb as I don't know you. Just like it's dumb for you to call me and mine into question.

You do you, I'll do me. It'll be ok.

 

[Stinky Coyote]

I'm not sure where all this talk of wind came from since neither thread started with any mention of it and I never specifically mentioned it either.

Anyway, yes, I'm still sure mils is best. It's ok, for you, if mils is not best. I'm not calling your system into question nor your ability. That would be dumb as I don't know you. Just like it's dumb for you to call me and mine into question.

You do you, I'll do me. It'll be ok.

haha you sound fun....mil for what?

"@Stinky Coyote

For what? Meaning hunting or target? Yes."

Ring a bell now? You got on the moa vs mils thread and stated mils were best, I asked 'for what?' and that was your response. I thought I'd leave that post alone and continue here since you were kind enough to define 'hunting' here...for you that's ~600 yards and tof .73 seconds. It was natural to carry on here rather than ask you your definition of hunting on that thread. And of course you do you and I'll do me...I'll just have to disagree with anyone who would suggest mils is best for hunting to 600 yards, it's no bro.