Yet Another Magnum vs. Small Bore Cartridge Conundrum

I'm in your exact same situation. I'm a gear junkie and will take any excuse to buy a new gun......and I'm still sporting the old 30 cal for the concerns you mentioned. Each to their own.
I would venture a guess 99 percent of the people saying small caliber vs brown bear would work out fine have never been in a bear charge situation. Been there, done that. I'll keep my 30 cal.
 
This should go well again..

 
I know that this topic has been beaten to death many times over, but there's one side of the "magnum vs. .223/6mm" conversation that I haven't seen discussed much.

To start, I'm a magnum cartridge shooter (primarily 300 win and 7 Rem mag with monolithics) that has fallen into the smaller is better rabbit hole on this forum. While I would consider myself very proficient with my current setups and probably shoot more magnum rounds every year than most, I absolutely see and agree with the appeal of making a substantial step down in cartridge size for hunting. I've all but committed to building a new Tikka in one of the smaller wonder cartridges, except for one thought that's stuck in my head.

I live in Alaska, and 99% of my hunting is for moose, black bear, and caribou. While I agree that a .243" bullet would be more than adequate for taking controlled shots on all of these, my hesitation lies in the fact that where we hunt, there is always a significant chance of running into a pissed off and/or wounded moose or brown bear. If such situation arises I would really appreciate the ability to break/punch through skeletal parts and find vitals, regardless of shot angle. I feel like the majority of those on the "smaller is better" side of these discussions are primarily hunting in the lower 48 or areas with low chance of such encounters.

My question is, if you were in my position and needed to account for the possibility of using your rifle to quickly stop an adrenaline filled moose or bear. would you still be confident in bringing a 6mm rifle along on all of your hunts? I don't ask this to be argumentative, I would really love to try out a rifle setup that is cheaper and inherently easier to shoot. I just can't wrap my head around being comfortable in the field without that extra "horsepower" in my back pocket for when things get western.
In short, no. The small cal argument has plenty of holes.
 
Most people buy paint brushes based on price and packaging. They don't want the cheapest or most basic looking label. They will tell you an expensive brush paints better and faster than a cheap one, even if it's all they have ever used.

People are simple.
 
If your not there mentally go for a middle ground. 6.5 is a very reasonable middle ground. PRC or creedmoor. Either one outperforms the 6.5x55 that's been used forever to hunt moose and brown bears in Europe.
Europe vs. North America: The Eurasian brown bear—the species of bear in Europe—is genetically synonymous with the North American grizzly bear. While these bears are highly capable predators, studies have shown that European brown bears are statistically less likely to inflict fatal injuries than those in North America.😂
 
Europe vs. North America: The Eurasian brown bear—the species of bear in Europe—is genetically synonymous with the North American grizzly bear. While these bears are highly capable predators, studies have shown that European brown bears are statistically less likely to inflict fatal injuries than those in North America.😂

You do realize what “genetically synonymous” means, right?
 
Ive only been in bear country once. So take that as you will...

But if im in a fight I want a fighting gun. Bolt guns just dont seem super fun up close under stress (inserts clip of trench raid in "all quiet on the western front").

Didn't get the tag I wanted this year (in bear country)...but my "meat hauling/2nd trip gun" is in progress, I can take my time on it now.

A 6mm rifle's damage is exponentially better then any pistol you could possibly shoot.
 

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Europe vs. North America: The Eurasian brown bear—the species of bear in Europe—is genetically synonymous with the North American grizzly bear. While these bears are highly capable predators, studies have shown that European brown bears are statistically less likely to inflict fatal injuries than those in North America.😂
Do you have any first hand experience shooting animals with smaller cartridges? Any reason at all to argue that a 6.5 with good bullets wouldn't kill as effectively as your 300wsm... I watched this Alaskan moose get killed with my 22 creedmoor. And a significant amount of other animals. A buddy of mine killed a grizzly with a 22 arc yesterday. I'm pretty sure the OP would be fine with any 6.5 for any moose or bear on the planet earth.

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Ive only been in bear country once. So take that as you will...

But if im in a fight I want a fighting gun. Bolt guns just dont seem super fun up close under stress (inserts clip of trench raid in "all quiet on the western front").

Didn't get the tag I wanted this year (in bear country)...but my "meat hauling/2nd trip gun" is in progress, I can take my time on it now.

A 6mm rifle's damage is exponentially better then any pistol you could possibly shoot.
Autos never jam.
 
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