243 win vs 6mm creed

[Castle Rock]

I can’t believe you dislike your wife enough to buy her a ruger
Tikka 223 sounds ideal for that situation.

 

[Te Hopo]

If you handload, I believe the cartridge choice is pretty much irrelevant.
Its more what does she feel comfortable with handling and fit, a Ruger Ranch or Tikka Compact?

 

[Reece123]

Pretty sure all creedmoors come with a flat bill hat and a pair of jeans with glitter on the ass. Over night you'll start calling folks "bro", and start thinking about trading in your truck on a subaru.

Or you can get a 243 and do the same stuff without having any of that goofy stuff happen to you. Your call



Ruger american wouldnt be a consideration.

I think the same thing happens when you buy a KTM #greenboiforlife


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[WhoGarrDen]

At 400 it sounds like no one will know the difference - not you, not her, not the animal. How much do ya shoot? If a lot, you could consider powder charge differences in terms of costs. The below data will likely converge a bit if you hand load.

Powder charges for 100gr bullets (in max load of Varget, 24" barrel) - all from Hornady/Hodgdon book data.
243 (2,840fps) - 33.7gr
6cm (3,050fps) - 37.6gr (11.5% more than 243)
6arc (2800fps) - 29.5gr (12.5% less than 243)

Drop | wind | velocity at 1,000ft ; 40*F ; 10mph wind ("blinds and hog hunting" elevations) and simple BTHP/interlock bullet (all in 24" barrels).
243 - 30.8" | 15.3" | 1.956fps
6cm - 25.8" | 13.8" | 2,124fps
6arc - 31.8" | 15.6" | 1,924fps

Even if you loose 100 fps from each of these (20" gun), they'll be 400yd guns. Swapping to something like a 103gr Eld-X pushes these up another 100+fps and easily counters that if shooting at 20"gun. That'll cut your wind drift by another 3" across all of them. Drop barely changes an inch.

 

[Reece123]

At 400 it sounds like no one will know the difference - not you, not her, not the animal. How much do ya shoot? If a lot, you could consider powder charge differences in terms of costs. The below data will likely converge a bit if you hand load.

Powder charges for 100gr bullets (in max load of Varget, 24" barrel) - all from Hornady/Hodgdon book data.
243 (2,840fps) - 33.7gr
6cm (3,050fps) - 37.6gr (11.5% more than 243)
6arc (2800fps) - 29.5gr (12.5% less than 243)

Drop | wind | velocity at 1,000ft ; 40*F ; 10mph wind ("blinds and hog hunting" elevations) and simple BTHP/interlock bullet (all in 24" barrels).
243 - 30.8" | 15.3" | 1.956fps
6cm - 25.8" | 13.8" | 2,124fps
6arc - 31.8" | 15.6" | 1,924fps

Even if you loose 100 fps from each of these (20" gun), they'll be 400yd guns. Swapping to something like a 103gr Eld-X pushes these up another 100+fps and easily counters that if shooting at 20"gun. That'll cut your wind drift by another 3" across all of them. Drop barely changes an inch.

My main issue with 243 is the twist. Rugers twist is 1:9 and T3x compact (as much as I’d like to get one) is 1:10. How are these scenarios with a slow twist barrel with the 103 ELDX?

 

[peaceful_ruler]

Something almost no one talks about anymore it seems is running light bullets at high speeds for a laser flat trajectory.

With a 1-10 twist .243 pushing 60 grain pills at 3600 fps you can have a PBR of 300+ yards. They also tend to be quite accurate. Could you do that in a 1-8(or faster) 6 CM? I don’t know but there are clear advantages in the hunting field with a longer PBR.

 

[WhoGarrDen]

My main issue with 243 is the twist. Rugers twist is 1:9 and T3x compact (as much as I’d like to get one) is 1:10. How are these scenarios with a slow twist barrel with the 103 ELDX?

243 @ 2,700 fps, 1,000FT altitude, 40*F:
8tw (new T3x models) - 1.87 SG
9tw - 1.48 SG
10tw - 1.20 SG

For what you've described as a use case, I'd present HER with the options and let HER choose. If she's anything like my wife (whom I love dearly) - she'd be happier with a factory savage that she picked over a Gunwerks that I picked for her. Take a trip to Scheels/Cabelas or whatever your local shop is, let her fondle and cycle everything (warning - may cost you more $). That's how you should make this decision, IMO. Repeat: This is HER rifle. If you preferred the rugged SG M5 rain jacket, and she wanted the lighter weight Kuiu Chucagh because the camo pattern looked better - what would you order her for Christmas?

When I got my son his first rifle, that's what I did. He fell in love with a Mossberg Predator Patriot w/a 24" barrel, cerakoted green - $460 out the door. I put a cheap cheek riser on it w/moleskin, hogged out the barrel channel to prevent contact, and it shoots damn near as good as my Tikka. And most importantly, he wants to shoot it.

It's 150yds of blind shooting. The action won't be stuffed full of snow or be in freezing rain for hours before the shot, you're not trying to nail 600yd shots (see all of the threads showing rifle precision matters way less than shooter skill/training). Just get a quality scope, rings and a can for whatever she picks.

 

[UnckleBob]

At 400 it sounds like no one will know the difference - not you, not her, not the animal. How much do ya shoot? If a lot, you could consider powder charge differences in terms of costs. The below data will likely converge a bit if you hand load.

Powder charges for 100gr bullets (in max load of Varget, 24" barrel) - all from Hornady/Hodgdon book data.
243 (2,840fps) - 33.7gr
6cm (3,050fps) - 37.6gr (11.5% more than 243)
6arc (2800fps) - 29.5gr (12.5% less than 243)

Drop | wind | velocity at 1,000ft ; 40*F ; 10mph wind ("blinds and hog hunting" elevations) and simple BTHP/interlock bullet (all in 24" barrels).
243 - 30.8" | 15.3" | 1.956fps
6cm - 25.8" | 13.8" | 2,124fps
6arc - 31.8" | 15.6" | 1,924fps

Even if you loose 100 fps from each of these (20" gun), they'll be 400yd guns. Swapping to something like a 103gr Eld-X pushes these up another 100+fps and easily counters that if shooting at 20"gun. That'll cut your wind drift by another 3" across all of them. Drop barely changes an inch.

I think your comparison is slightly flawed because you limited all three cartridges to Varget.

I have a 20" 6ARC Howa and got 2900 with a 95G Accubond.

I just bought a Tikka 243 with a 20" barrel. I haven't shot it yet, but I expect my 243 will be about 150fps faster. It has a 1:8 twist so I can shoot heavier bullets.

According to Hornady's book, the 6CM should be about 100-150 fps faster than the 243.

 

[UnckleBob]

A hornady book that favors the cartridge they invented?

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Nosler shows they are very close. The 243 has a larger case capacity (50.0 vs 47.4)

 

[WeiserBucks]

T3x compact (as much as I’d like to get one) is 1:10.

Just bought one, it's 8 twist.

 

[Timjohnson11]

Howa Mini, 18” 22 ARC, RokStok Lite

 

[Reece123]

Just bought one, it's 8 twist.

where did you get it? every compact I've seen from scheels, sportsman's warehouse and euro optic are all 1:10

 

[WeiserBucks]

where did you get it? every compact I've seen from scheels, sportsman's warehouse and euro optic are all 1:10

Bought it locally FTF, but it's brand new.

 

[WeiserBucks]

https://www.eurooptic.com/tikka-t3x-lite-synthetic-compact-243-win-20bbl-1-8-5-8in-x-24tpi-synthetic-blued-jrtxec31520mt

This one, not in stock at the moment.

 

[Reece123]

https://www.eurooptic.com/tikka-t3x-lite-synthetic-compact-243-win-20bbl-1-8-5-8in-x-24tpi-synthetic-blued-jrtxec31520mt

This one, not in stock at the moment.

Thanks! makes sense. I have only been looking at in stock models

 

[Q_Sertorius]

where did you get it? every compact I've seen from scheels, sportsman's warehouse and euro optic are all 1:10

EuroOptic’s inventory looks to be a bit low right now or the site is being updated. Lots of things are not showing on the website.

For example, I got a pair of factory threaded, stainless, 1:8” twist, T3X lites (.22-250 and .243) off there last month, but I don’t see those options listed now.

If Tikka still makes it, I am confident that Jake can get you what you want. In the alternative, it’s pretty easy to find a compact stock for about $60 and switch it out.

 

[BLJ]

I am confident that Jake can get you what you want.

Let’s get the ball rolling.

@EuroOptic you think you could let @Reece123 know when a 1/8 Tikka 243 compact comes in????

 

[Kaleb]

where did you get it? every compact I've seen from scheels, sportsman's warehouse and euro optic are all 1:10

I made my daughters a compact in about 20 seconds. Add a couple minutes running a drill bit in the screw holes to make them deeper. The pad was or is a little proud around the edge. I thought about grinding it to fit. Then I thought about a grind to fit pacmyer I have leftover from the high tech stock days. Then I decided to just wrap a little bit of the back with the same vet wrap I used to cover her suppressor to make it match the stock. Looks totally fine and the whole project took less than 5 minutes. If this was one of the beautiful wood stocks guys have been making it would be a different story but it's a factory synthetic stock I let her paint.

 

[EuroOptic]

Let’s get the ball rolling.

@EuroOptic you think you could let @Reece123 know when a 1/8 Tikka 243 compact comes in????

Tikka T3x Lite Synthetic Compact 243 Win 20" Bbl 1:8 5/8in x 24 tpi Synthetic/Blued JRTXEC31520MT
Here ya go.. Outta stock, but lemme know if ya want it and I'll hook ya up. Should be here soon

 

[BLJ]

Tikka T3x Lite Synthetic Compact 243 Win 20" Bbl 1:8 5/8in x 24 tpi Synthetic/Blued JRTXEC31520MT
Here ya go.. Outta stock, but lemme know if ya want it and I'll hook ya up. Should be here soon

@Reece123

Thanks @EuroOptic