Wyoming Points

After the chit Colorado pulled,Idaho and Montana are going to get busy. I'm glad I'm getting too old to climb too many more mountains. It's my daughter I feel sorry for. She isn't going to be able to enjoy western hunting the way my generation did. Unless the whole thing implodes. Too many folks with too much unattached income. She may live long enough to see the system collapse. Then possibly "reset" to a more realistic structure.
 
TwoTikkas
I don't call the hard my hard earned money that I've saved for elk hunting unattached. I don' t think it will get any better as far as number of permits available. If so the quality and experience will be eroded. Like most things, change happens and hunting is no different. The only way the tags get easier to draw is if the population of hunters drops considerably and that will be a very bad thing.

If the economic system collapses(I know that is not the system you were referring to) but it is the system that makes possible the "unattached" money, there will be bigger things to worry about than elk tags and those elk tags will not be what one is trying to buy.
 
We are seeing some serious inflation when you consider that total licensed hunters on a national scale has dropped substantially.
Considering that many quit becaus of lack of acess and being priced out. We are anything but recession proof
 
The "Odds" that sites list are just a forecast based on historical data. They cant know the actual odds until the draw happens. You'd have to know how many tags, how many hunters, and exactly what their points were in order to calculate the actual odds.
 
Ron Wold for oregon and a guy in Utah are the only predictive odds sources I know if. All the others are just a compilation of the prior years data showing what your odds "were" and calling them "2019" odds. Leaving the customer to believe these are your odds for the upcoming draw.
 
Ron Wold for oregon and a guy in Utah are the only predictive odds sources I know if. All the others are just a compilation of the prior years data showing what your odds "were" and calling them "2019" odds. Leaving the customer to believe these are your odds for the upcoming draw.

How do they know the # of people and # of points those people have will apply for each unit?
 
He has years of draw data and uses a predictive algorithm.

google him, he has a good setup. About as good as you can get without the ability to see into the future.

Toprut and Gohunt use the actual draw database and recreate the draw a bazillion times and list odds that way.
 
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