Wyoming Passes 90/10: The Worst Article You’ll Read This Year

[HOT ROD]

We have 32 pages of rubbish, and we have a few people who consider themselves sportsmen wanting to sell public land. The only thing i really want to know is when will Wyoming pass the 90/10 for elk deer and antelope, hopefully next year.......

 

[Gutshot007]

Federal land auction coming soon to a state soon near you

 

[Laramie]

We have 32 pages of rubbish, and we have a few people who consider themselves sportsmen wanting to sell public land. The only thing i really want to know is when will Wyoming pass the 90/10 for elk deer and antelope, hopefully next year.......

I understand your sentiment but please know that most non-residents are not represented by the few loud voices on this forum. Most of us know how tragic it would be to lose that land forever. Most of us are also grateful for the opportunities we are gifted by the state of Wyoming. Some of us are upset that we are losing an investment by the passing of 90/10 for the big 5 but that in no way should lead to a temper tantrum and a push for the sale of public lands. That is the equivalent of committing murder for someone stealing your lunch.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Federal land auction coming soon to a state soon near you

Do you read your own sentences? I thought I was out of this pointless thread… What am I? Who am I? Why am I?

 

[BuzzH]

Post Removed. No need to go back down into the rabbit hole.

Likely you actually took the time to read your link.

I would have taken down that post if I were you as well...the facts didn't even come close to backing up your invalid and false conclusions/accusations.

 

[CJ19]

Good luck this coming season Buzz. I hope you have great year in the field.

 

[robby denning]

honest question:

Is this thread going anywhere new (new info, new ideas, etc?)

 

[BBob]

honest question:

Is this thread going anywhere new (new info, new ideas, etc?)

IMO no

 

[bsnedeker]

honest question:

Is this thread going anywhere new (new info, new ideas, etc?)

Nope, next step is a change.org petition to sell public lands.

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[Laramie]

Nope, next step is a change.org petition to sell public lands.

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In todays political climate, nothing would surprise me. Even joking about it is probably a bad idea.

 

[svivian]

honest question:

Is this thread going anywhere new (new info, new ideas, etc?)

Not for a long time

 

[Ten Bears]

Yeah it’s a total bummer a couple guys derailed this from what it was about.

To be clear, out of the 10 other threads on this topic that have been discussed here, selling public land has never been part of it from any sane NR lens.

 

[MrRogers]

Their house, their rules. And this is coming from a guy who just started buying WY preference points for deer and antelope last year. No way would I advocate selling off public land in any state, ever.

 

[BBob]

@bsnedeker NVR mind, forget it. Not worth extending this further.

 

[Bighorner]

Just an observation.

Alaska sells sheep tags, but the price to hunt for nonresidents is set by guides

In wyoming the price for an elk tag is set by the state. Guides set the ceiling. They offer amenities and hopefully better oppertunity.

The other end is the reduced price cow/calf tag which is often equally avaible in a left over draw, requiring no points.

I see people saying 90/10 is creating a rich man's sport. That is a half truth. Trophy hunting is becoming a rich man's sport. 90/10 will not be the begining or the end of that.

If you want to hunt, and your priority is not horns, there is oppertunity and it is relatively reasonably priced.

If you fall into the upper price range, that is a choice you are making. No one is requiring you to gold out for top tier tags. If you base your hunt on inches of horn, that comes with a higher price tag. I figure elk is about $1.50 a pound on the low end and it $16.66 depending on how important that bone is to you.

 

[Bighorns]

For those of you thinking of selling off our public lands consider this: "37.6 million acres, or about 2.9% of the nation's total farm, ranch and forest land, were under foreign ownership in 2020, the latest year for which data was available." So, how much of our public land are you willing to sell to foreign interests?

The US owes China over one trillion (with a T) dollars. Hell, maybe we could just give them Yellowstone N.P. in lieu of payment? :0)

 

[Laramie]

For those of you thinking of selling off our public lands consider this: "37.6 million acres, or about 2.9% of the nation's total farm, ranch and forest land, were under foreign ownership in 2020, the latest year for which data was available." So, how much of our public land are you willing to sell to foreign interests?

The US owes China over one trillion (with a T) dollars. Hell, maybe we could just give them Yellowstone N.P. in lieu of payment? :0)

That is a really good point. If it was sold, good percentage of it would be purchased by foreign money.

 

[Rich M]

honest question:

Is this thread going anywhere new (new info, new ideas, etc?)

Not really - looking past the argument points people are using - wanting to see the larger picture. It connected a few dots for me:

• we have a hunting industry telling people we need to introduce new hunters into an already packed playing field
• trophy hunting is highly promoted - whether it be antlers or the type of hunt (backcountry, float, whatever)
• We have places like Alaska stopping "outsider" (R & NR in this instance) hunting in favor of the indigenous people & subsistence hunters, forget how big an area is being considered
• many of the private places folks have previously hunted are now developed and the animals dispersed
• many areas are leased-up and those private properties are sealed from the public
• states are banning cell-cameras and game cameras
• many states have gone to preference points for resident hunting opportunities because the residents exceed the opportunity - public lands get packed with folks (cue WY next)
• WY is looking at 90/10,
• the various states keep "reintroducing wolves and bears and whatever else" while protecting them and trying to get their numbers back to "where they were" before people existed, those critters eat the game folks hunt
• Coyotes have done a significant number on the small game numbers in many areas
• Bird numbers - quail, pheasants, etc. are low and many areas stock em to provide an opportunity
• if you "just want to kill stuff" you can probably be satisfied shooting whatever is legal and whatever public access you can find
• if you want a peaceful hunt, you either hunt mid-week, join a lease, hire a guide, or try to out distance yourself from others

Appears to be trending towards the European practices - not intentionally or planned, but due to population density and limited number of critters - partially due to overharvest and partially due to environmental circumstances - disease, drought, deep snow, whatever. F&G folks have to play a tough game and haven't been doing as well as they could with politics in the way.

So, what's coming -or- should we say, gonna get worse?

• Increased hunter density
• Increased restrictions on hunters - antler restrictions, shorter seasons, ...
• Increased difficulty getting a tag - tougher draws, limited draws, ...
• Increased hunter competition & folks doing stuff they would not have done in years past (cutting in on a stalk, spooking out the game on another guy to maybe get it tomorrow, etc.)
• Increased bickering among hunters - not that there isn't enough already
• Increased cost
• Increased restrictions on equipment such as game cameras
• Increased restrictions on shed hunting
• Less places to hunt
• More expensive leases
• More competition for leases and private access

Sure sounds like the glass is half empty - just calling it as I seen it over the past 40+ seasons. Never thought we'd get where we are now in my lifetime.

This is not limited to western mountain hunting, it is the same for whitetail deer, bears, waterfowl, birds, whatever.

We're just getting started with the changes. And as such, there is no better time for folks to plan their hunt of a lifetime. Don't wait, do it right now.

I and a couple buddies booked a bucket list hunt for next year - we have some points, but not enough to draw what we want. So with the promise of 90/10, we're paying for a private land hunt to have reduced competition and the ability to hunt how we want as opposed to putting em to bed the day before opener and sleeping on them, shoot em at first light. That's not fun hunting...

 

[Ozzy841]

I was concerned that this would happen and that it will happen for the other species soon. Glad I finally made the move to WY. So I guess I'm out all the money I spent on NR elk points. Oh well. Not the most convenient move or the best scenario financially but its not getting any better and having the opportunity to hunt elk (and other game) every year was worth the sacrifice.

 

[Wyobohunter]

honest question:

Is this thread going anywhere new (new info, new ideas, etc?)

It isn’t. It became pointless a while ago. Wish I could say I didn’t contribute to the pointlessness but I can’t. Maybe it’s time to put her to bed.