Wrong tires end my hunt early

[280Ackley]

I had a 6 day archery antelope hunt planned with my son since last year. In preparation I went in to get tires put on my pickup. I talked to the gal at the counter told her I needed 10 ply. She said they had to get it approved with my fleet company and would call me back when it was all approved. Next day get the call, go down and they put new tires on. So my son and I head out on our 7 hour drive to the other side of the state. Hunt for 2 days and get a flat in the middle of the second day, which was Friday. Got to the local tire store 30 minutes away. Same chain that put the new tires on. They told me these were not 10 ply on my pickup but a 4/6 ply!! They put a used tire on and say they can’t fix all 4 because the store that made the mistake has to. Well as you can guess we get another flat the next day early afternoon. Now the tire store is closed until Tuesday and we can not drive off the pavement and risk getting another flat without a spare. So I decided to cut our hunt short and come home 3 days early. So if you get new tires confirm they put on what you requested!!

 

[id_jon]

Dang that sucks. I've had a similar experience buying tires, really frustrating that people can't seem to sell you what you request unless you babysit them.

 

[Jacobo2012]

That’s sad a tire store couldn’t do a simple task or at least inform you they can’t do what you’re asking and give you the alternative verbally not just slap on something different then what you asked for! Idk if I’d do business with them anymore!
Sorry to hear your hunt got cut short


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[beachbunny]

and i'm lining up to buy some 37" 10 ply. they seem very hard to get.
tough when a company screws ya, seems to be happening a lot nowadays.
sorry for the bad luck,hopefully your son and yourself found something cool to do to fill the void

 

[SDHNTR]

What kind of vehicle? You do realize that with today’s modern materials not many tires have 10 plys anymore. Even some of the best E rated top quality tires only have 2 or 3 plies these days. The number of plys nowadays has very little to do with tire strength or durability and is instead an outdated reference to load rating. What used to be called 10 ply now means E rated, but it has nothing to do with the tire being constructed with 10 plys.

 

[2five7]

and i'm lining up to buy some 37" 10 ply. they seem very hard to get.
tough when a company screws ya, seems to be happening a lot nowadays.
sorry for the bad luck,hopefully your son and yourself found something cool to do to fill the void

I put these on my '21 F250 when I couldn't get the TOYO AT3. Loving them so far, about 8k miles in.

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What kind of vehicle? You do realize that with today’s modern materials not many tires have 10 plys anymore. Even some of the best E rated top quality tires only have 2 or 3 plies these days. The number of plys nowadays has very little to do with tire strength or durability and is instead an outdated reference to load rating. What used to be called 10 ply now means E rated, but it has nothing to do with the tire being constructed with 10 plys.

I think he is referring to the old method of "ply=load capacity". The modern equivalent would be a load range E.

 

[Fatcamp]

That sucks.

Compressor and plug kit go everywhere with us.

I learned the hard way as well to visually inspect tires before leaving the tire store. And verify before handing over the keys. I think some shops put on what they have in the shelf and hope you don't call foul.

 

[Justinjs]

Fleet company..? Is it a company truck?

 

[SDHNTR]

I put these on my '21 F250 when I couldn't get the TOYO AT3. Loving them so far, about 8k miles in.

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I think he is referring to the old method of "ply=load capacity". The modern equivalent would be a load range E.

Right. My point though is that unless the C or D (or whatever was installed lesser than E) tire was put on a truck that overloaded them, the flats probably weren’t the tires fault. Besides, what makes a “10 ply” or E rated tire is extra material in the sidewall making it stiffer. So flats in the tread have little to do with the ply or load rating, unless overloaded. The lack of understanding or misunderstanding of tires so often leads to the tires getting blamed for problems when in reality they were misused.

“Dang these new BFG’s killed my mileage and make my truck ride like a bucking horse. BFGs suck!” No, you put a heavy and stiff side walled E rated tire on a Tacoma!

or…

“These crappy Coopers wore out after 25k and I got a bunch of flats”. Yep, cause you put C or D’s on a one ton truck and tow a big camper!

With today’s tires, assuming the proper load rating per vehicle, E’s are not necessarily going to get you a more puncture resistant tire than a C or D! But that’s what our dads and uncle’s insisted on 20 years ago, so the argument persists. The C rated tires on my Toyota are not necessarily any more or less durable than the E rated tires on my Dodge 2500. They are both actually made with a 3 ply construction!

 

[Broomd]

Did a desert sheep hunt here in Idaho in '09 and quickly realized that 10 ply are mandatory. Fortunately it was only scouting trip when I dealt with three flat tires.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[sndmn11]

Fleet company..? Is it a company truck?

It's a chuckle only one person caught that part.

Not sure I have a ton of sympathy; it is wicked easy to read the tire specs any one of the hundreds of times hopping in the truck, you CAN hike for phorns, the "fleet" may have decided what tires, and I thought "plys" ended around the Bush administration.

 

[crich]

Lesson learned. Ive had a shop put under rated tires on my HD truck and I didnt realize it until 8k later when I went to tow 13k lbs they squatted like crazy. Called them up and they comped me for another set and rolled the original cost into new tires. Manager said they should have never put them on my truck and it was ultimately their fault. I blame myself for not checking.

I ended up in a set of 35x12.5r18 wildpeak at3w and couldnt be happier.

Edited to say the same shop put a new tire on my wifes rig and scratched the hell out of the lug nut wells with the impact. If I didn't check it in the parking lot before I left they most likely would not have bought my wife a new wheel... which they kindly did.

 

[crich]

It's a chuckle only one person caught that part.

Not sure I have a ton of sympathy; it is wicked easy to read the tire specs any one of the hundreds of times hopping in the truck, you CAN hike for phorns, the "fleet" may have decided what tires, and I thought "plys" ended around the Bush administration.

From what I understand load range and ply are used interchangeably but are different entirely. You can have 2 tires with the same load range or ply and the other qualifier be different.

 

[280Ackley]

It's a chuckle only one person caught that part.

Not sure I have a ton of sympathy; it is wicked easy to read the tire specs any one of the hundreds of times hopping in the truck, you CAN hike for phorns, the "fleet" may have decided what tires, and I thought "plys" ended around the Bush administration.

Yes it’s a company vehicle. Yes I should have double checked they did what I asked. Do you look at your tire rating everytime you get in your truck? These were the factory original tires. I’ve had “E” rated/10 ply tires on all my past vehicles due to where I drive my truck for work. Come on what do you think we were doing road hunting with our bows for Antelope?!?! We hiked over 8 miles a day chasing them. Hard to hike to hunt them when you can’t drive on gravel.

 

[colersu22]

Most people don’t pay attention to the load rating and just the ply rating. I just bought new tires and wanted the BFG all terrain but the load rating was to low even though it is a 10 ply. I ended up with the 12 ply nitto ridge grapplers because the load rating is way higher for towing.

The BFG would work if I never put anything in the bed or towed but that makes having a 1 ton pointless.

 

[Jethro]

What brand tires?
Was the 2nd flat in a new tire or the used tire?
How bad was the leak, couldn’t get the tire patched/plugged?

 

[280Ackley]

Dean backcountry. Both tires were blow outs that could not be patched

 

[sneaky]

Right. My point though is that unless the C or D (or whatever was installed lesser than E) tire was put on a truck that overloaded them, the flats probably weren’t the tires fault. Besides, what makes a “10 ply” or E rated tire is extra material in the sidewall making it stiffer. So flats in the tread have little to do with the ply or load rating, unless overloaded. The lack of understanding or misunderstanding of tires so often leads to the tires getting blamed for problems when in reality they were misused.

“Dang these new BFG’s killed my mileage and make my truck ride like a bucking horse. BFGs suck!” No, you put a heavy and stiff side walled E rated tire on a Tacoma!

or…

“These crappy Coopers wore out after 25k and I got a bunch of flats”. Yep, cause you put C or D’s on a one ton truck and tow a big camper!

With today’s tires, assuming the proper load rating per vehicle, E’s are not necessarily going to get you a more puncture resistant tire than a C or D! But that’s what our dads and uncle’s insisted on 20 years ago, so the argument persists. The C rated tires on my Toyota are not necessarily any more or less durable than the E rated tires on my Dodge 2500. They are both actually made with a 3 ply construction!

BS. I have yet to find a modern C rated tire that's anywhere near as durable as an E rated tire. See the carcasses of C rated tires all the time on the mountain roads around here. Keep drinking whatever you're drinking, but 200k flat free miles on E rated tires has proven the difference.

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[granite7]

Just imagine if you had paid for tires for your own truck and that happened

 

[Justinjs]

Yes it’s a company vehicle. Yes I should have double checked they did what I asked. Do you look at your tire rating everytime you get in your truck? These were the factory original tires. I’ve had “E” rated/10 ply tires on all my past vehicles due to where I drive my truck for work. Come on what do you think we were doing road hunting with our bows for Antelope?!?! We hiked over 8 miles a day chasing them. Hard to hike to hunt them when you can’t drive on gravel.

It's not your truck or tires, but mad because ya didn't check what was put on someone else's truck.
Obvious troll is obvious