Would you buy this scope?

[omicron1792]

Ehhh. Not really. It’s a relatively new design.






Ground up design. Will take a bit.

Wouldn’t you just use the proven 6x erector and make a 2-12x?

 

[mwoolsey5]

Which scope bumpers would be best to pair with this scope? The 44 mm or 44mm Long?

Trying to have everything lined up so I can get in as much practice as possible before hunting season.

I emailed the Scope Bumper team with a link to the scope on S2H's page. I wanted to share their response here because I made a simple mistake that I could see a lot of others making as well. While the Objective Lens is 44mm, the Objective Outer Diameter is 52mm. So it looks like anyone interested in scope bumpers would need the 52mm size.

As for Long vs Regular, "Longs are only needed for certain ocular housings where the diopter adjustment ring is at the very end". When I look at the pictures of the scope, this appears to be the case and would require a Long bumper, but correct me if I interpreted that incorrectly.

 

[Svivian]

Ehhh. Not really. It’s a relatively new design.

Can you elaborate? When I spoke to the zero tech guys at their booth they went pretty in-depth and it did not sound as if it was a new design on the erector system.

 

[BBob]

Can you elaborate? When I spoke to the zero tech guys at their booth they went pretty in-depth and it did not sound as if it was a new design on the erector system.

This was his comment as to that a ways back.

The erector being used is “new”, and this scope is supposedly the first that will have it.

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Nov 1, 2025

All that would be great! I am just wondering what you can do to spec out a different manufacturing process to make the scope more reliable than say a Tract or Maven using the same internals

It’s not the same internals- even a turret type change effects durability and reliability.

I am simply curious as to how, which would lead me to wonder why all the other brands that use Light Optics don't do it.

Because they don’t demand it. They don’t demand it, becaus they don’t understand it or care. Very few companies give a rip at all about reliability and durability...

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[Svivian]

This was his comment as to that a ways back.

Post in thread 'Would you buy this scope?'

Nov 1, 2025

All that would be great! I am just wondering what you can do to spec out a different manufacturing process to make the scope more reliable than say a Tract or Maven using the same internals

It’s not the same internals- even a turret type change effects durability and reliability.

I am simply curious as to how, which would lead me to wonder why all the other brands that use Light Optics don't do it.

Because they don’t demand it. They don’t demand it, becaus they don’t understand it or care. Very few companies give a rip at all about reliability and durability...

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Ahh thank you sir!

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

From memory of posts. They wanted to get access to LOW, they got access to LOW and approached them about the subject scope with the adage of 4x erectors being more durable, good eyebox, etc. historically. LOW said "Hey we've made advances on 6x erector systems for both durability and optics, etc. Check out these details and we can make it durable, yadda yadda.". Lots more talk I am sure and fast forward to delivering this scope and it proving out.

The fact LOW already had an improved 6x erector design in the works is why this ended up being a 3-18x and on this timeline is my interpretation from the thread.

The smaller / lighter scope since referenced has been stated it would need to be designed from the ground up to meet the needs and that will take a couple years. Why can't they use the 6x errector? I would speculate its because it wouldn't hit the weight goal.

I have no inside knowledge, that is just my interpretation of the information posted here.

 

[TechsanHunter]

FYI: I don’t have any immediate need for the scopes I ordered. I was able to secure one of each reticle in the pre-order. For anyone interested, I just sent in an e-mail request to cancel my order given the more immediate need some of you have. Hope it helps one or two of you out.

 

[Grizzle]

I hear a lot of guys saying they would be more interested in a 2-8 at a lighter weight and I agree that would be a very interesting scope and would likley buy one or two if and when they are able to produce one. But... I hear other guys saying why wouldn't they use this erector system and just make it a 2-12, My understanding (could be wrong) is that if you used this erector system it likley would be in the same or very similar sized chassis and would not offer any real advantage to the 3-18 if form factor and weight were similar using the same erector. To design something significantly lighter and just as reliable will take a lot more time and design to create than what we've ended up with here. Happy to have gotten in on the pre order the more details that come out the more excited I am to shoot one.

 

[prm]

2-12 and 3-18 are kind of the same to me. A 2-8x36 would be physically smaller and not require parallax. What I perceive as a smaller, lighter, simpler solution. How much lighter, no idea. My guess is they would want a clear differentiation, more than a 2-12 would offer.

 

[omicron1792]

2-12 and 3-18 are kind of the same to me. A 2-8x36 would be physically smaller and not require parallax. What I perceive as a smaller, lighter, simpler solution. How much lighter, no idea. My guess is they would want a clear differentiation, more than a 2-12 would offer.

Most 2-12 are 4-5oz lighter than their 3-18 counterparts.

 

[JCMCUBIC]

2-8x, 2-12x, 1.5-9x...I'm ok with any. I referenced 2-8 as it was first mentioned.

 

[prm]

At what X level does parallax adj become desired? I thought it was in the 10-12 range.

 

[TechsanHunter]

FYI: I don’t have any immediate need for the scopes I ordered. I was able to secure one of each reticle in the pre-order. For anyone interested, I just sent in an e-mail request to cancel my order given the more immediate need some of you have. Hope it helps one or two of you out.

Just got my refund e-mail. They sho

FYI: I don’t have any immediate need for the scopes I ordered. I was able to secure one of each reticle in the pre-order. For anyone interested, I just sent in an e-mail request to cancel my order given the more immediate need some of you have. Hope it helps one or two of you out.

Just got my refund notification e-mail. May the odds be ever in your favor.

 

[IrkedCitizen]

They probably won't post them active. They can float 2 scopes

 

[Fowl Play]

Honestly, we lack the resources to deal with more than 500 at a time. Remember, we are gonna test every scope.

I appreciate the sentiment, but how exactly are you guys going to test every single scope? I can’t imagine a quick test that would verify zero retention? If that is the limiting factor capping it at 500 item increments, I would rethink that. Scopes 5x as much as this are not doing testing at the individual piece part level, there’s no way that’s sustainable.

 

[Ryan Avery]

I appreciate the sentiment, but how exactly are you guys going to test every single scope? I can’t imagine a quick test that would verify zero retention? If that is the limiting factor capping it at 500 item increments, I would rethink that. Scopes 5x as much as this are not doing testing at the individual piece part level, there’s no way that’s sustainable.

 

[Fowl Play]

Well I stand corrected! I had no idea Nightforce did that, and that is a much better test setup than I envisioned. Good on you guys.

 

[RancherJohn]

SWFA 10x, Maven RS1.2, S2H 3-18x, then SWFA 3-9x & S2H 3-18x

 

[RockAndSage]

SWFA 10x, Maven RS1.2, S2H 3-18x, then SWFA 3-9x & S2H 3-18x

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Great to see those side-by-side comparisons. Impressed with the size of it, and the form factor.

 

[BAKPAKR]

Well I stand corrected! I had no idea Nightforce did that, and that is a much better test setup than I envisioned. Good on you guys.

I don’t want any dents on mine.