Would you buy this scope?

[T_Widdy]

Hello Roksliders,

I don't spend enough time on here with you guys, but here is some additional info regarding the new S2H scope.

If this scope spec sheet has already been posted (see bottom of post), I apologize cause I'm posting it again. Eventually it will be typed in to the product description as specs are verified on the scope.

As you know Form is deep into testing and by all accounts things are looking very positive. It's unusual for me to see him so excited about something with relatively nothing negative to say about it. When he first picked it up on the table at our SHOT show meeting, he was smiles ear to ear without even knowing how it would test yet.

I only caught the latest couple pages of comments so I will address a couple things with my 2 cents.

RETICLES:

We have to invest a large chunk of money in to every reticle we request for tooling. As most of Rokslide is on the MIL wagon, of course we started there. Form's THLR reticle may not be for everyone, so there is another MIL reticle option that is very basic offered by ZT. I personally brought up the lack of MOA reticle as an issue, but we agreed after the first couple runs of scopes with everything on the up and up, we will add one quickly.

SCOPE CAPS:

We are carrying the scope bumper caps on S2H and if not already offered in the correct sizes we will request them from the manufacturer. No other plans have been solidified for offering any other options, if there are any other highly desirable/doable contenders we would consider them. If there are quite a few, then maybe another poll would be a good idea: https://www.shoot2hunt.com/product/the-scope-bumper/

SHOOT2HUNT LOGO ON OBJECTIVE:

This will be discussed next week at the Hunt Expo. I think we should figure out a way to make it black or somehow more subdued. This will all depend on cost and options. Right now LOW simply laser engraves into the anodized aluminum and that's why its white looking and bright. We are of course proud of the scope and wanted our logo on it with ZT, but not at the expense of customer satisfaction and sexiness. Update will come soon.

ORDERING/ LEAD TIME/ ETC:

No decisions have been made for this process just yet. Those that are S2H podcast listeners have heard some details about what S2H is on the hook for when it comes to ordering. We expect to place our first order with ZT in just a few weeks. ZT has a long track record of data for the ordering and lead time process with Light Optical Works in Japan. It is a very straight forward 6 month lead from order acceptance to scopes ready to ship from LOW. There are minimum order quantities as well but we should be well above those. We are well aware of previous pre order, back order, deposit, and lead time issues of the past and want nothing more than to never make those same mistakes again and offer you guys the best customer service and products that we can.

That being said, we have no idea how many to order, how many of each reticle, and so on. When our order is ready to ship from Japan we are required to pay in full. Due to capital limitations, I don't have a million dollars in the bank to order 1000 scopes which I think we could probably sell rather quickly but cannot commit to 6 months ahead of time.

We could do it the very slow way and order 50 scopes at a time and have no problem paying up front, but you guys would become way too hungry to get one of these highly affordable, way to much value for the money, drop tested, sexy AF scopes. ZT and S2H did everything we could to keep this scope at the $999 retail price while still passing the drop test and not removing features.

My current plan is to.........

1- Create an ordering plan with proposed dates and reasonable quantities agreed on by our S2H/ZT team.
2- Build the product on the website with this proposed production chart.
2- Open up a 10% ($100) deposit option to secure your scope and choose your reticle.
3- As orders are being placed, your order number will count down from the max number of let's say 500, or whatever the chart takes us to. You will know when your scope will be delivered based on the chart and your quantity number and then the wait begins.
4- We use your order quantities and reticle options to validate the production chart.
5- Then we can place our sequential orders with ZT. 6 months to produce and 10 days to get from Japan to Post Falls Idaho. This is of course an estimate, but has a ton of ZT data and experience backing it up.
6- We would then test each one individually on the collimator as it arrives to Idaho and ship to you in order.

We want to keep order quantities reasonable for the first few runs to make sure LOW is doing a great job for us. That will allow us to request any changes needed in between shipments. Although we are testing extensively by dropping and field testing, an unforeseen problem could arise that needs fixing which brings us up to warranty. The warranty is everything you'd want it to be with ZT's full backing. The initial policy for a verified scope issue will be to send you a replacement. We will be highly motivated to hear about, troubleshoot, and fix any potential issue that may arise.

We will have the scope at the Hunt Expo in SLC at both Unknown Munitions booth 202 and the Zero Tech booth 7312. Please stop by and see it if you're around!

As always, we very much appreciate all of your support. Projects like this would never be possible without it.

Jake Mushaney

View attachment 1016525@Ryan Avery @Formidilosus @Salmon River Solutions @ZeroTech Optics @Unknown Suppressors

Isn’t your weight spec incorrect? Form had 25 oz?

 

[Unknown Munitions]

Will Canadians be allowed to preorder?

My answer will be no at this time due to a thread I just read on our very own Rokslide. Seems there are quite a few hoops to jump through to make it happen. All that being said, we are currently working on our sister company in Canada that will likely be named Mindful Munitions. Jay Nichols (Mindful Hunter) is very excited about it and will be importing the scopes in to Canada for sale there. Listen to the most recent Shoot2Hunt podcast to hear all about it.

Thread 'Exporting Riflescope From U.S. to Canada'

Feb 19, 2024

I recently jumped through a few hoops to buy a riflescope from Maven and have it exported to Canada. I’ve gotten lots of great intel from these forums and figured I’d give back a little.


How-To Guide

Purchase process with Maven was easy peasy. Placed the order just like any other on the website. Soon enough, someone from Maven reached out via email to help guide me through the Canadian import process. I had to submit a request for an import license using the New Export Controls Online system here: https://www.nexcol-nceel.canada.ca/en/Home-Accueil

There was a bit of...

• dangerdude
• Replies: 8
• Forum: Optics

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[Unknown Munitions]

Isn’t your weight spec incorrect? Form had 25 oz?

That is the preliminary light optical works spec sheet, and like I said we are pending publishing until all specs have been verified on the actual scopes themselves. The weight posted were live weights from all 3 samples delivered to us at Shoot2Hunt.

 

[Rock’N Tacos]

Hello Roksliders,

I don't spend enough time on here with you guys, but here is some additional info regarding the new S2H scope.

If this scope spec sheet has already been posted (see bottom of post), I apologize cause I'm posting it again. Eventually it will be typed in to the product description as specs are verified on the scope.

As you know Form is deep into testing and by all accounts things are looking very positive. It's unusual for me to see him so excited about something with relatively nothing negative to say about it. When he first picked it up on the table at our SHOT show meeting, he was smiles ear to ear without even knowing how it would test yet.

I only caught the latest couple pages of comments so I will address a couple things with my 2 cents.

RETICLES:

We have to invest a large chunk of money in to every reticle we request for tooling. As most of Rokslide is on the MIL wagon, of course we started there. Form's THLR reticle may not be for everyone, so there is another MIL reticle option that is very basic offered by ZT. I personally brought up the lack of MOA reticle as an issue, but we agreed after the first couple runs of scopes with everything on the up and up, we will add one quickly.

SCOPE CAPS:

We are carrying the scope bumper caps on S2H and if not already offered in the correct sizes we will request them from the manufacturer. No other plans have been solidified for offering any other options, if there are any other highly desirable/doable contenders we would consider them. If there are quite a few, then maybe another poll would be a good idea: https://www.shoot2hunt.com/product/the-scope-bumper/

SHOOT2HUNT LOGO ON OBJECTIVE:

This will be discussed next week at the Hunt Expo. I think we should figure out a way to make it black or somehow more subdued. This will all depend on cost and options. Right now LOW simply laser engraves into the anodized aluminum and that's why its white looking and bright. We are of course proud of the scope and wanted our logo on it with ZT, but not at the expense of customer satisfaction and sexiness. Update will come soon.

ORDERING/ LEAD TIME/ ETC:

No decisions have been made for this process just yet. Those that are S2H podcast listeners have heard some details about what S2H is on the hook for when it comes to ordering. We expect to place our first order with ZT in just a few weeks. ZT has a long track record of data for the ordering and lead time process with Light Optical Works in Japan. It is a very straight forward 6 month lead from order acceptance to scopes ready to ship from LOW. There are minimum order quantities as well but we should be well above those. We are well aware of previous pre order, back order, deposit, and lead time issues of the past and want nothing more than to never make those same mistakes again and offer you guys the best customer service and products that we can.

That being said, we have no idea how many to order, how many of each reticle, and so on. When our order is ready to ship from Japan we are required to pay in full. Due to capital limitations, I don't have a million dollars in the bank to order 1000 scopes which I think we could probably sell rather quickly but cannot commit to 6 months ahead of time.

We could do it the very slow way and order 50 scopes at a time and have no problem paying up front, but you guys would become way too hungry to get one of these highly affordable, way to much value for the money, drop tested, sexy AF scopes. ZT and S2H did everything we could to keep this scope at the $999 retail price while still passing the drop test and not removing features.

My current plan is to.........

1- Create an ordering plan with proposed dates and reasonable quantities agreed on by our S2H/ZT team.
2- Build the product on the website with this proposed production chart.
2- Open up a 10% ($100) deposit option to secure your scope and choose your reticle.
3- As orders are being placed, your order number will count down from the max number of let's say 500, or whatever the chart takes us to. You will know when your scope will be delivered based on the chart and your quantity number and then the wait begins.
4- We use your order quantities and reticle options to validate the production chart.
5- Then we can place our sequential orders with ZT. 6 months to produce and 10 days to get from Japan to Post Falls Idaho. This is of course an estimate, but has a ton of ZT data and experience backing it up.
6- We would then test each one individually on the collimator as it arrives to Idaho and ship to you in order.

We want to keep order quantities reasonable for the first few runs to make sure LOW is doing a great job for us. That will allow us to request any changes needed in between shipments. Although we are testing extensively by dropping and field testing, an unforeseen problem could arise that needs fixing which brings us up to warranty. The warranty is everything you'd want it to be with ZT's full backing. The initial policy for a verified scope issue will be to send you a replacement. We will be highly motivated to hear about, troubleshoot, and fix any potential issue that may arise.

We will have the scope at the Hunt Expo in SLC at both Unknown Munitions booth 202 and the Zero Tech booth 7312. Please stop by and see it if you're around!

As always, we very much appreciate all of your support. Projects like this would never be possible without it.

Jake Mushaney

View attachment 1016525@Ryan Avery @Formidilosus @Salmon River Solutions @ZeroTech Optics @Unknown Suppressors

With the lower order quantities, how will you deal with warranty replacements? Will customers have to wait several months?

 

[Unknown Munitions]

With the lower order quantities, how will you deal with warranty replacements? Will customers have to wait several months?

An amount from each shipment will be held in reserve to cover any warranty issues.

 

[Bluumoon]

I mean, I get it, and I’m surprised, but . . .


Can we put this to bed and all be friends again?

Like I said CEO screwing w the Brains.

 

[Frozenlead]

Hello Roksliders,

I don't spend enough time on here with you guys, but here is some additional info regarding the new S2H scope.

If this scope spec sheet has already been posted (see bottom of post), I apologize cause I'm posting it again. Eventually it will be typed in to the product description as specs are verified on the scope.

As you know Form is deep into testing and by all accounts things are looking very positive. It's unusual for me to see him so excited about something with relatively nothing negative to say about it. When he first picked it up on the table at our SHOT show meeting, he was smiles ear to ear without even knowing how it would test yet.

I only caught the latest couple pages of comments so I will address a couple things with my 2 cents.

RETICLES:

We have to invest a large chunk of money in to every reticle we request for tooling. As most of Rokslide is on the MIL wagon, of course we started there. Form's THLR reticle may not be for everyone, so there is another MIL reticle option that is very basic offered by ZT. I personally brought up the lack of MOA reticle as an issue, but we agreed after the first couple runs of scopes with everything on the up and up, we will add one quickly.

SCOPE CAPS:

We are carrying the scope bumper caps on S2H and if not already offered in the correct sizes we will request them from the manufacturer. No other plans have been solidified for offering any other options, if there are any other highly desirable/doable contenders we would consider them. If there are quite a few, then maybe another poll would be a good idea: https://www.shoot2hunt.com/product/the-scope-bumper/

SHOOT2HUNT LOGO ON OBJECTIVE:

This will be discussed next week at the Hunt Expo. I think we should figure out a way to make it black or somehow more subdued. This will all depend on cost and options. Right now LOW simply laser engraves into the anodized aluminum and that's why its white looking and bright. We are of course proud of the scope and wanted our logo on it with ZT, but not at the expense of customer satisfaction and sexiness. Update will come soon.

ORDERING/ LEAD TIME/ ETC:

No decisions have been made for this process just yet. Those that are S2H podcast listeners have heard some details about what S2H is on the hook for when it comes to ordering. We expect to place our first order with ZT in just a few weeks. ZT has a long track record of data for the ordering and lead time process with Light Optical Works in Japan. It is a very straight forward 6 month lead from order acceptance to scopes ready to ship from LOW. There are minimum order quantities as well but we should be well above those. We are well aware of previous pre order, back order, deposit, and lead time issues of the past and want nothing more than to never make those same mistakes again and offer you guys the best customer service and products that we can.

That being said, we have no idea how many to order, how many of each reticle, and so on. When our order is ready to ship from Japan we are required to pay in full. Due to capital limitations, I don't have a million dollars in the bank to order 1000 scopes which I think we could probably sell rather quickly but cannot commit to 6 months ahead of time.

We could do it the very slow way and order 50 scopes at a time and have no problem paying up front, but you guys would become way too hungry to get one of these highly affordable, way to much value for the money, drop tested, sexy AF scopes. ZT and S2H did everything we could to keep this scope at the $999 retail price while still passing the drop test and not removing features.

My current plan is to.........

1- Create an ordering plan with proposed dates and reasonable quantities agreed on by our S2H/ZT team.
2- Build the product on the website with this proposed production chart.
2- Open up a 10% ($100) deposit option to secure your scope and choose your reticle.
3- As orders are being placed, your order number will count down from the max number of let's say 500, or whatever the chart takes us to. You will know when your scope will be delivered based on the chart and your quantity number and then the wait begins.
4- We use your order quantities and reticle options to validate the production chart.
5- Then we can place our sequential orders with ZT. 6 months to produce and 10 days to get from Japan to Post Falls Idaho. This is of course an estimate, but has a ton of ZT data and experience backing it up.
6- We would then test each one individually on the collimator as it arrives to Idaho and ship to you in order.

We want to keep order quantities reasonable for the first few runs to make sure LOW is doing a great job for us. That will allow us to request any changes needed in between shipments. Although we are testing extensively by dropping and field testing, an unforeseen problem could arise that needs fixing which brings us up to warranty. The warranty is everything you'd want it to be with ZT's full backing. The initial policy for a verified scope issue will be to send you a replacement. We will be highly motivated to hear about, troubleshoot, and fix any potential issue that may arise.

We will have the scope at the Hunt Expo in SLC at both Unknown Munitions booth 202 and the Zero Tech booth 7312. Please stop by and see it if you're around!

As always, we very much appreciate all of your support. Projects like this would never be possible without it.

Jake Mushaney

View attachment 1016525@Ryan Avery @Formidilosus @Salmon River Solutions @ZeroTech Optics @Unknown Suppressors

Thanks for the update. Any thoughts or plans on a pre order option being available through some of the ZeroTech global distributors? I know there are some of us north of the border and elsewhere that would love to get our hands on one.

 

[alexnelon]

If the logo is still up in the air, I just want to say I think if it was filled orange like the script on the front bell, that would look pretty cool and way less loud

 

[prm]

I’ll take one order of Crow, medium well please.

 

[Unknown Munitions]

Thanks for the update. Any thoughts or plans on a pre order option being available through some of the ZeroTech global distributors? I know there are some of us north of the border and elsewhere that would love to get our hands on one.

That's a great point, Zerotech will also be ordering their own inventory for global operations. I will bring this up to their marketing manager at the Hunt Expo next week for consideration. @ZeroTech Optics

 

[Unknown Munitions]

If the logo is still up in the air, I just want to say I think if it was filled orange like the script on the front bell, that would look pretty cool and way less loud

That's a great idea, I will figure out what options we have other than laser engraved and bring this up.

 

[KHntr]

My answer will be no at this time due to a thread I just read on our very own Rokslide. Seems there are quite a few hoops to jump through to make it happen. All that being said, we are currently working on our sister company in Canada that will likely be named Mindful Munitions. Jay Nichols (Mindful Hunter) is very excited about it and will be importing the scopes in to Canada for sale there. Listen to the most recent Shoot2Hunt podcast to hear all about it.

Thread 'Exporting Riflescope From U.S. to Canada'

Feb 19, 2024

I recently jumped through a few hoops to buy a riflescope from Maven and have it exported to Canada. I’ve gotten lots of great intel from these forums and figured I’d give back a little.


How-To Guide

Purchase process with Maven was easy peasy. Placed the order just like any other on the website. Soon enough, someone from Maven reached out via email to help guide me through the Canadian import process. I had to submit a request for an import license using the New Export Controls Online system here: https://www.nexcol-nceel.canada.ca/en/Home-Accueil

There was a bit of...

• dangerdude
• Replies: 8
• Forum: Optics

• 

Shit, put me in the first batch of 10 scopes and I’ll guinea pig that Canadian import process on the S2H scope Jake.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Your life - and I mean even, or especially - the parts of it that are more important than shooting - will go smoother if you learn to dial it back and be able to laugh every now and then. Someone out there in the world is going to disagree with you or think something is funny when you don't - or heaven forbid not drop everything based on your experiences - and you'd do well to learn to live with it.

That's free life advice. take it or not.

I think his point is there’s a time and place for that and technical threads ain’t it.

 

[Rock’N Tacos]

I am guessing they are buying these scopes from LOW for between $400 and $600, maybe less, depending on order size with quantity discounts. Thats with shipping and customs charges.

I have owned and sold a few businesses importing goods from Japan and China. 1000 scopes costing them $1m is if they were paying retail.

 

[IrkedCitizen]

Would you also like to ask for the Rokstok with the butt stock reversed. You know, not above bore and sloping to the rear?

FFS , we all understand you guys don’t want to change/evolve or even try something that is objectively better. That’s fine.

You are asking people who have fought to convince the industry (with no fiscal benefit to themselves ) to offer the best product possible, failing that they found a way to do it themselves. Now you are asking them to sacrifice intellectual integrity to offer the same shite they’ve been trying to move past.

You are like a supply clerk or CEO telling a heart surgeon he can’t use a heart graft that he perfected with superior outcomes and lower cost that they have to offer a inferior heart graft just because you aren’t familiar with it.

That really is the level of expertise and ego (by this I mean confidence and lack of needing your validation) you are arguing with. Most of us are lucky to be in the room and a few of us try to be helpful.

It’s good to question the how and why, you know learning… but sometimes you need to shut up and watch.

LOL. Bruuh

Pretty sure competitions are still won using MOA reticles. Pretty sure @Formidilosus is just as deadly with an MOA reticle as he is with MIL. He simply prefers MIL. If the scope dials correctly the center of the reticle will kill regardless of MOA or MIL. It has been happening for decades.

Producing this optic with an MOA option doesn't make it a POS or take away from it. Unlike how some of you believe, it doesn't invalidate their design. It simply accommodates more shooters whether that makes them "fudds" for not being willing to learn new things, it doesn't matter.

I'm glad I made you that upset that you felt it necessary to try and berate me. But yes I hope you get an inferior heart graft.

Your response made me smile. Thanks for that, Pumpkin.

 

[atmat]

I am guessing they are buying these scopes from LOW for between $400 and $600, maybe less, depending on order size with quantity discounts. Thats with shipping and customs charges.

I have owned and sold a few businesses importing goods from Japan and China. 1000 scopes costing them $1m is if they were paying retail.

They have stated several times they are taking very, very low margins on these. While they’re certainly paying less than retail, I would assume they’re making 50%.

 

[Rock’N Tacos]

They have stated several times they are taking very, very low margins on these. While they’re certainly paying less than retail, I would assume they’re making 50%.

I guess I bring it up because if guys were willing to put 50% down up front and be willing to wait, they would be able to cover their costs and some. They could order a lot more scopes.

 

[Helislacker]

Will Canadians be allowed to preorder?

and there it is……like clockwork. F@&king Canadians and lefties eh? @Ryan Avery @Unknown Munitions

 

[Chris in TN]

I mean, I get it, and I’m surprised, but . . .


Can we put this to bed and all be friends again?

We can put it to bed. I'm tickled with what I just read, even if I have to wait on a later batch. I just hope the MOA reticle is a close adaptation of the THLR - that solves the problems it solves. Looking forward to seeing it.

 

[Unknown Munitions]

I am guessing they are buying these scopes from LOW for between $400 and $600, maybe less, depending on order size with quantity discounts. Thats with shipping and customs charges.

I have owned and sold a few businesses importing goods from Japan and China. 1000 scopes costing them $1m is if they were paying retail.

The Shoot2Hunt margin is 15%. Zerotech is ordering from Light Optical Works. We took this very low margin with you, our customer, in mind. 1000 scopes costing a million dollars was a very quick multiplication not meant to be taken seriously. We are one of the most, if not the most, transparent group of businesses around often taking undue criticism and disrespect because of it.

I would think that unknown tariffs alone would be enough not to make a comment like that. Zerotech and S2H have taken these low margins in partnership to bring you the best product for the best price possible. This scope is being made in the exact same place, with the exact same features, as all the other $2K plus Jedi scopes on the market today that are marked up 500%+.

Maybe I'll post the first invoice like showing pocket aces you didn't call on.