Would you buy this scope?

[THLR]

The silhouette mil/ranging could be useful for hunting if I knew what size they assign to it.

It was assigned to combatants with slightly lower average height than western forces.


Put the dot top head, check which line is closest to armpits. Works regardless of angle.

In this case "shoot", otherwise AIM LONG// AIM SHORT and trajectory solves the rest.

It is not calibre specific, once range is set the fall angle/danger space of the projectile doesn't really change that much.

It's not something I believe in. But if you insist on being stupid and training your shooters with the range & front-only 2-4-6-8-1000 "stairs scale", at least do it this way.

You need to have an inkling where SHORT//LONG is on your trajectory and eyeball it with plenty effect for that target.

This is the slow version of the killbox/ center square.

I'll see if I can dig up the exact measurements, but it's not a priority so don't hold your breath.

 

[Bluumoon]

It was assigned to combatants with slightly lower average height than western forces.
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Put the dot top head, check which line is closest to armpits. Works regardless of angle.
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In this case "shoot", otherwise AIM LONG// AIM SHORT and trajectory solves the rest.

It is not calibre specific, once range is set the fall angle/danger space of the projectile doesn't really change that much.

You need to have an inkling where SHORT//LONG is on your trajectory and eyeball it with plenty effect for that target.

This is the slow version of the killbox/ center square.

I'll see if I can dig up the exact measurements, but it's not a priority.

I hope that is never useful to me…. Looks incredibly efficient. If it was say 18inches/46 cm reference, it could be turned sideways to range deer.

 

[TxLite]

I hope that is never useful to me…. Looks incredibly efficient. If it was say 18inches/46 cm reference, it could be turned sideways to range deer.

Primary arms did something similar to what you are describing years ago called the orion

 

[OneGunTex]

Looking at the Scope Interest thread, folks here are ready to put down $40,000+ on a half mil worth of scopes. That's pretty good.

 

[BAKPAKR]

I prob need to rewatch the youtube series now that I have the scope in hand. The aim short and longs dots are nifty. I, think, I understand the wobble zone marks around the aim short/long, not sure if they are related to a "normal" target size or just if it fits it hits. How to use the milling bars, I have some references and that isn't specific to this scope, but something I need to work on. The silhouette mil/ranging could be useful for hunting if I knew what size they assign to it.

Luckily, the “wobble zone” is not based on the size of my “wobble zone”.

 

[SaltyAquaholic]

To @1000yards (and anyone else) - there's a lot that can be learned about this reticle without even having it in hand.

I'd highly recommend reading the ZP5 eval (Minox ZP5 5-25x56mm THLR Field Eval) and Q&A threads (https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/q-a-for-minox-zp5-5-25x56mm-thlr-scope.253284/) - you'll pick up a lot.

I think I also posted here in the last week or so to work through all of @THLR's videos on the reticle - and then do it all over again.

@nm.otter, that legend, even posted a direct link to @THLR's playlist: https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...5x56mm-thlr-scope.253284/page-11#post-4404919

Once again, Rokslide is now the largest repository on the internet about the THLR reticle ... if you read the descriptions of the subtensions, the use in practice, how it works as both a 'plain' mil reticle as well as effectively has BDC elements contained (if you want that) ... you can then get a good sense looking at some of Thomas and Form's images of the reticle over targets about what means what, and how you'd use it.

Part of the genius of Thomas's reticle is that you can put it in someone's hands, who knows nothing of the design, and they'll say things like 'This is great. It's clear, and intuitive' - while only knowing part of the functionality.

But once people know what the reticle is fully capable of, it's like scales are lifted from their eyes, and the reticle becomes something else ... it's like turning on 'advanced mode' or something.

is the diet flight computer for doing the mrad calculations needed for best use of this reticle?

I looked into it more and it’s a trueMiller and I assume not. I imagine it’s just an intuitive way of doing the calculations

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

The larger limiting factor for each is the educational gap. ("unusual" reticle, mils, weight, "don't all scopes hold zero?", etc).
Strong visual assets / vids are the key for a broader market that isn't willing to read through hundreds of forum pages with a willingness to have their minds changed. I hope they sell a metric shit ton of them

Don't worry. We have a plan for this

 

[Castle Rock]

Don't worry. We have a plan for this

Welcome.

 

[RockAndSage]

Don't worry. We have a plan for this

Good to see you here. The only question we have, is whether you want the mass of these scopes you sell to be measured in Metric $h*t Tons for the milrad guys, or Imperial F*ck Tonnes for the MOA guys.

Because you're going to sell a lot of them.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

@ZeroTech Optics
Thank you for joining the conversation, and more importantly, being willing to work with S2H, Ryan, Jake and Form to make this happen

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

No. They’re not going to raise prices because I asked about it, don’t worry. From a business was standpoint if you could sell the same number of scopes for $1300 as you could for $999 why wouldn’t you? I’m asking from the viewpoint of keeping the business in business and having money to R&D new products. It seems like they’re trying to simply shake up the industry, but that’s just my guess.

Guys we're in this with S2H and the Rokslide folks because we are actually interested in transparency and we had a stated goal. The goal was to produce the best backcountry hunting on the market. To truly be the best you need to hit all the points that have been hammered home throughout this post but where most other brands fall short is a HUGE consideration in terms of making the "best". To be the best it needs to be available to everyone, not just the elite. We have shared costs and accepted low margin as said before in the thread to hit the goal of $999 and we are not going to arbitrarily raise that price. If there are changes in manufacturing, duties, tariffs, inflation, etc yes there is a chance the scope price changes down the line. But you're never going to see us raise it "just because".

We are here to show people that quality doesn't always mean taking out a second mortgage for gear.

 

[Schmo]

@ZeroTech Optics,
A very warm welcome! Also, a hearty “Thank You” for being the one company that actually listened to Ryan, Jake, and Form, and have been very accommodating. It’s greatly appreciated!

 

[nm.otter]

Really happy to see you here as well. I picked up a pair of your 15x56ED binos last March (after seeing a favorable mention here in one of the S2H class threads) and have been quite impressed given what I paid for them.

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

@ZeroTech Optics,
A very warm welcome! Also, a hearty “Thank You” for being the one company that actually listened to Ryan, Jake, and Form, and have been very accommodating. It’s greatly appreciated!

Ryan, Jake, and Form are great people, friends, and give a damn about what's best for hunting and the outdoors. We're more than proud to come together on this project! Wait till you guys see all the fun videos and podcasts we have planned about this product

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

Good to see you here. The only question we have, is whether you want the mass of these scopes you sell to be measured in Metric $h*t Tons for the milrad guys, or Imperial F*ck Tonnes for the MOA guys.

Because you're going to sell a lot of them.

We'll order the dumptrucks now. This is is the fastest way to deliver AND we know they can handle being dumped out of the bucket

 

[White Wizard]

Actual date in hands of the consumer?

 

[Schmo]

Ryan, Jake, and Form are great people, friends, and give a damn about what's best for hunting and the outdoors. We're more than proud to come together on this project! Wait till you guys see all the fun videos and podcasts we have planned about this product

While I have your ear, I’d like to put in a free comment that’s worth exactly what you paid for it . I understand that down the road S2H might want to do some more scopes through ZT, but additional options are never a bad idea.

If there’s a chance you could come close to competing to SWFA on some basic dial-able scopes, that’d be awesome! I’m sure you already know, but the fixed 6x, 10x, and 3-9x SWFAs are loved by many here. They are no frills scopes. If there was any way you could take some existing models of yours and get them to pass a drop eval by Form, I’d think you’d sell a pile of them. There is no competitor to what SWFA offers, and we’d love another option. Something basic like their Mil-Quad reticle is pretty good. I’ll drop a link!

SS 6x42 30mm MQ GEN 2 - Zero Stop

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swfa.com

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

Roksliders, Shoot2Hunters, Romans, countrymen, my fellow Americans (you get the gist), we at ZeroTech want to thank you all for your overwhelming response to this project! We know S2H has been trying to make this happen for a long time and we are honored to take part in this project and bring to market something that people are clearly so incredibly passionate about! We have lots of big plans for this and other things in the future and will do everything in our power to educate and assist in bringing this scope, the test, and future projects to light.

We are all committed to doing this the right way and as Form has mentioned multiple times, not cutting corners. We're gonna do our best to keep up with answers on here but you guys have a lot to say so you'll have to apologize us if we don't get to all of them in a timely manner. In the meantime stay tuned here, on S2H's media channels, and ZeroTech's media channels. Timelines may vary but the important thing is the scope you have all been waiting for is VERY REAL and is HAPPENING. Everything else is just fluff!

 

[BLJ]

@ZeroTech Optics

Maybe start a new thread for Q and A for the scope in its current state with a list of what you know to be definite and what is coming?

Update that post when more info comes in and field questions in the same spot???

 

[ZeroTech Optics]

Actual date in hands of the consumer?

We want to get this right just as bad as everyone else. We are trusting @Formidilosus to handle the test and let us know when it has his stamp of approval. And from everything we have seen so far we are trending good. Once the test is completed it is a 6 month lead time from the factory and as some have mentioned, shipping and customs can add some time to that. We would LOVE for it to be ready for fall hunting season. Myself, I am dying to run one this fall. But it all comes back to doing it right. We trust form to tell us when it's good and from there we can only do so much. Assuming all goes well, which we expect, the original estimates of Sept-Jan sound good but that's with no hiccups so take it with a grain of salt.