Would you buy this scope?

[Kyguy]

To clarify- to LOW these are not prototypes. They are full on production models, if these don’t work they said they won’t know what to do to fix them.

I don't have a dog in the fight, I'm not interested in this scope, but I am invested in following your process to bring it to market. Take the time to do what YOU need to do to be confident in the product. In the end, it's YOUR name that will be associated with this, whether it's a success or a flop. I truly believe that it's not a money thing for you. You're not only trying to improve one scope.... you're trying to improve an entire industry.

Let's be honest.... do you want to listen to people piss and moan that it didn't come by hunting season, or do you want to listen to people piss and moan about the scope not delivering on the expectations of durability?

As for what LOW said..... Sometimes it takes breaking something that shouldn't theoretically break, to understand what needs to be done to make it better.

 

[NDHUNTER24]

What @huntnful said. I see both sides, but most of the scopes that have failed thr drop test are with the first initial drops at 36".

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[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Reality, they have already been more abused than most of us will ever do. If the user interface aspects are legit (sounds like they are) they’ll be a solid scope at a good price. Better than dropping $1k on some other scope as a customer. In short my vote is do an order in a quantity you’re comfortable with.

 

[Gstew1930]

72" drops. If they pass. Ship em

 

[Primal-Understanding]

Without knowing the market an idea that comes to mind:
Sell a limited batch to Roksliders (including me) for testing over the season.
Factor this data into the collective picture.
Make adjustments as necessary.
Hit the market.


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[mtnbound]

Yes. I do not expect to have any issues.
The real decision is that there is a 6 month lead time once the go ahead is given, and the order is placed. So- it’s a catch22. If we give it enough to fully vet them to a level I would want- they won’t be here by hunting season. On the other hand, we can say yes to whatever order number in a week or two, and have a high confidence factor that the scopes are good.

I’m not sure what the answer is.

Damed if you do and Damed if you don’t.

 

[9487329]

Sell a limited batch to Roksliders (including me) for testing over the season.

Sell a batch to us because we want it, full durability guarantee, and use it as a selling point for how well the crowdsourced testing was done.

 

[Ryan Avery]

LOW knows how to make a scope that passes the test, if asked. Form knows how to test scopes quickly. That's the easy part...

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

 

[9487329]

you can even require commitment to reviews / write up / whatever in exchange for being in the first batch

 

[JD Jones]

LOW knows how to make a scope that passes the test, if asked. Form knows how to test scopes quickly. That's the easy part...

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

I'm sure there's some folks who can do some fancy predictive modeling up in here .....if ya wanna get businessy!

 

[9487329]

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

 

[benconfused]

LOW knows how to make a scope that passes the test, if asked. Form knows how to test scopes quickly. That's the easy part...

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

Seems there's a lot of us that want to buy more than 1.

 

[Strider]

 

[tysonES]

Must be a way to have a deposit set up where those of us that want them can put $50 down per scope to gauge initial order size

 

[Fowl Play]

Yes. I do not expect to have any issues.
The real decision is that there is a 6 month lead time once the go ahead is given, and the order is placed. So- it’s a catch22. If we give it enough to fully vet them to a level I would want- they won’t be here by hunting season. On the other hand, we can say yes to whatever order number in a week or two, and have a high confidence factor that the scopes are good.

I’m not sure what the answer is.

Not saying you need to do this, but if you wanted to speed things up and maybe give yourself some cool videos for marketing while you’re at it, you could put these through an actual vibration and shock lab. You could bolt these things to a vibe table and simulate 10 years of bouncing around in the back of a truck in 5 minutes if you wanted to. There are actually already pre manufactured “vibe levels” for just this purpose.

Like if you wanted to make your tests 100% repeatable between scopes and results absolutely clinical that would be the process. Vibe and shock is part of the qualification for all critical parts in aerospace, automotive, etc so there’s several places in the US that do it.

Or… duct tape your rifle to an old Maytag washing machine, throw some bricks in it, set the spin speed to high, and film the chaos that ensues.

 

[BAKPAKR]

LOW knows how to make a scope that passes the test, if asked. Form knows how to test scopes quickly. That's the easy part...

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

What is the mounting space (will there be any wiggle room on a long action Bat Vesper/Kelbly Nanook/Defiance Anti-X)? Is the initial run going to be offered at $1,000?

 

[rbutcher1234]

I’d buy one and beat the absolute shit out of it if people need feedback

 

[mtnbound]

LOW knows how to make a scope that passes the test, if asked. Form knows how to test scopes quickly. That's the easy part...

Estimating how many to order is a much harder question.

I will commit to 3 right now based on what I have seen.

 

[Ryan Avery]

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HA! That snowmachine looks like a form-approved scope...

 

[Formidilosus]

Not saying you need to do this, but if you wanted to speed things up and maybe give yourself some cool videos for marketing while you’re at it, you could put these through an actual vibration and shock lab. You could bolt these things to a vibe table and simulate 10 years of bouncing around in the back of a truck in 5 minutes if you wanted to. There are actually already pre manufactured “vibe levels” for just this purpose.

Like if you wanted to make your tests 100% repeatable between scopes and results absolutely clinical that would be the process. Vibe and shock is part of the qualification for all critical parts in aerospace, automotive, etc so there’s several places in the US that do it.

Or… duct tape your rifle to an old Maytag washing machine, throw some bricks in it, set the spin speed to high, and film the chaos that ensues.

Every manufacturer does that, including LOW. The issue is it tells you nothing unless the scope rattles when you are done. It’s doesn’t tell you anything about zero retention.


As for testing scopes, every scope will be tested in a collimator before it ships to the customer.