Would you buy this scope?

[Drenalin]

What a difference a day makes. Now that Form has bounced all three scopes more than any other scope and they passed the drop test, what's next? Excessive shooting, other abuse, small changes? Or, is it rock and roll time? I wish they were out now because I would have bought two for some new projects. I really like the low profile turrets.

I realize the drop tests indirectly speak to how this will go, but I’m interested in zero checks after bouncing around in the truck for a few days, then a few more days, etc. Vibration is a SOB.

 

[Formidilosus]

I like the scope rings with the built in level, are you those a prototype as well or in production by someone?

Hawkins.

Agreed, amazing results for drop testing if these rings were used, as I didn't have great luck with them. Even with loktite they wouldn't stay put for me, these were on high recoil light weight rifles however. I don't use hawkins now because of this, perhaps Form figured it out, but with my own degreasing and thread locker, still had reliability issues. Switched to Nightforce rings and that all went away, no thread locker needed.

Hmm I’ve used several sets of them. Were you torquing to a minimum of 25in-lbs on the ring caps?

 

[Formidilosus]

Am I seeing this correctly, that you have your ZP5's parallax knob taped so that it can't be adjusted?

What distance is it set at?

No. It’s taped so I can mark my own yardages for parallax free distance based on my ocular setting. I do this with most of my scopes- including the S2H soon.

 

[Formidilosus]

I realize the drop tests indirectly speak to how this will go, but I’m interested in zero checks after bouncing around in the truck for a few days, then a few more days, etc. Vibration is a SOB.

Indeed. I can’t remember a scope passing the full eval ever losing zero from the truck though.

The start. 16” 223 in the wood ROKStok lite. ADI 55gr SBK

5x yesterday
5x today.





The whole thing. Far left is the first group yesterday. Read reticle and adjusted. Put the next five in top dot. Those five were shot in near darkness- used the illumination on the last 2-3 shots. The three left hits are from yesterday.
Then, 5 more today. Adjust down .1 and left .1 and put 5 on the bottom dot.

 

[BCsteve]

No. It’s taped so I can mark my own yardages for parallax free distance based on my ocular setting. I do this with most of my scopes- including the S2H soon.

Do you mark them in meters or yards?

 

[Formidilosus]

Do you mark them in meters or yards?

Neither. Ald’s are what I use.

 

[Thatguy308]

No

 

[Ajsomp]

Indeed. I can’t remember a scope passing the full eval ever losing zero from the truck though.

The start. 16” 223 in the wood ROKStok lite. ADI 55gr SBK

5x yesterday
5x today.

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The whole thing. Far left is the first group yesterday. Read reticle and adjusted. Put the next five in top dot. Those five were shot in near darkness- used the illumination on the last 2-3 shots. The three left hits are from yesterday.
Then, 5 more today. Adjust down .1 and left .1 and put 5 on the bottom dot.
View attachment 1010664

This reminds me- I need some 223 ammo and I’m split between these 55s or some 77s

 

[Formidilosus]

This reminds me- I need some 223 ammo and I’m split between these 55s or some 77s

For what use?

 

[Ajsomp]

For what use?

Training. I’ve got a stack of BH TMK for hunting

 

[Formidilosus]

Training. I’ve got a stack of BH TMK for hunting

Oh the ADI 55gr Blitzking ammo is really good.

 

[Ice-kub]

Neither. Ald’s are what I use.

For some scopes that's probably about right lol

 

[Scottyboy]

Genuine question. From what we (you) have seen…the scope is more or less destined to pass the remaining tests, no? It’s been dropped more than me when I was little, still works. Not expecting it to fail from shooting. I’m sure you’ve dialed the shit out of it with no issues. And maybe you can’t say, but it’s looking like the first 3 are green light/go/pass?? I’ll jump in line to take one at retail, all logos beaten off with a brick, and no warranty! Or if Avery would just give us a f’ing preorder (or whatever the word of the day is) link…

 

[Dobermann]

Neither. Ald’s are what I use.

Hmmm ... and internet search returns either "an obsolete Mongolian unit of measurement that is approximately equal to 160 cm (63 inches)" or an adrenal gland hormone.

So, in Form's case ... obviously the latter.

 

[Dobermann]

It’s been dropped more than me when I was little, still works.

Another Rokslide quote of the day. Someone really does need to start that thread ... @fwafwow? @Reburn?

 

[Formidilosus]

Genuine question. From what we (you) have seen…the scope is more or less destined to pass the remaining tests, no? It’s been dropped more than me when I was little, still works. Not expecting it to fail from shooting. I’m sure you’ve dialed the shit out of it with no issues. And maybe you can’t say, but it’s looking like the first 3 are green light/go/pass?? I’ll jump in line to take one at retail, all logos beaten off with a brick, and no warranty! Or if Avery would just give us a f’ing preorder (or whatever the word of the day is) link…

Yes. I do not expect to have any issues.
The real decision is that there is a 6 month lead time once the go ahead is given, and the order is placed. So- it’s a catch22. If we give it enough to fully vet them to a level I would want- they won’t be here by hunting season. On the other hand, we can say yes to whatever order number in a week or two, and have a high confidence factor that the scopes are good.

I’m not sure what the answer is.

 

[atmat]

Yes. I do not expect to have any issues.
The real decision is that there is a 6 month lead time once the go ahead is given, and the order is placed. So- it’s a catch22. If we give it enough to fully vet them to a level I would want- they won’t be here by hunting season. On the other hand, we can say yes to whatever order number in a week or two, and have a high confidence factor that the scopes are good.

I’m not sure what the answer is.

Just place the order. 45 drops is good enough for me.

Edit: if they’re not in by hunting season than you’ll likely lose orders till next season — which makes convincing the partner company to make new scopes even harder.

 

[Ice-kub]

Yes. I do not expect to have any issues.
The real decision is that there is a 6 month lead time once the go ahead is given, and the order is placed. So- it’s a catch22. If we give it enough to fully vet them to a level I would want- they won’t be here by hunting season. On the other hand, we can say yes to whatever order number in a week or two, and have a high confidence factor that the scopes are good.

I’m not sure what the answer is.

Somewhere in the middle? Beat the snot out of them for a month and see when they finally give out.

 

[Formidilosus]

Somewhere in the middle? Beat the snot out of them for a month and see when they finally give out.

Well, that’s the fast option I mentioned. It won’t take a month to get several thousand rounds on them and heavy use.

 

[Fabel.52]

Yes. I do not expect to have any issues.
The real decision is that there is a 6 month lead time once the go ahead is given, and the order is placed. So- it’s a catch22. If we give it enough to fully vet them to a level I would want- they won’t be here by hunting season. On the other hand, we can say yes to whatever order number in a week or two, and have a high confidence factor that the scopes are good.

I’m not sure what the answer is.

In a week or two you will put more rounds than most of us in a few years.

SEND IT!