Would you buy this scope?

[Macintosh]

I wrote a lengthy reply, and as I was writing it my opinion evolved significantly.

When form said 2 to 8 x 36, I immediately thought of a 2FP point-and-shoot-only scope, which seemed out of character for this crowd, and just seems different from what “most” people are looking for when they buy a dialing scope. I should not have said odd, “unconventional” is just a better word, and I’m talking mostly about a sales volume perspective. But, since I would love to find a reliable 2 to 8 x 36 point and shoot scope, my interest perked up.

That said, in the NX6 thread, I made a big stink about the reticle, saying that it was perhaps a different use case then someone who dialed on a regular basis and might be happy with a 3-18 scope. There’s no reason why a 2-8 ffp scope can’t work for me at home, and also dial when I take trips west. It’s just not what I immediately thought of based on the magnification range, that’s all. For someone who only hunts in the east, having a dial that’s possible to spin introduces unreliability with very little if any benefit compared to the same scope that cannot possibly spin, but if there’s any crossover or longer range use then obviously it’s a good feature to have in balance. Ultimately I’m really just curious what exactly they have in mind for this, is this a longer-range focused sheep hunting scope so it’s designed to be uber-lightweight, or is this a eastern woods scope that can do double-duty in the west? Those two things might be the same, or they might not, remains to be seen based on the details. That’s just what has me curious about the details is all.

 

[silasbowhunter]

Honestly id love to see a fixed 8x. Everyone is real queer about the SWFA 6x but I actually prefer the fixed 10. A fixed 8x I think would be perfect

I just bought a fixed 7x Kahles.. it’s awesome other than not having a dialing turret (yet)


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[betelgeuse]

Picking the fly shit out of the pepper

 

[HuntHarder]

I'd guess the 2-8 is more than a year out. Who knows what will change in that time frame. Some guys shoot 1300 yards at 12x, so 8x is more than enough power for those guys at realistic hunting distances. IMO the 2-8 would have to come in atleast 10 ounces lighter than their 3-18×50 for me to even consider it.

 

[betelgeuse]

I may end up here:

https://www.eurooptic.com/trijicon-credo-2-10x36-ffp-w-red-mrad-precision-tree-30mm-matte-black-riflescope?srsltid=AfmBOorQmCVCBmxFB6LKGMVXzc0v6zTdSb20Px4d3w6IkwpdDWfj6Fc_

 

[Kyguy]

If the reticle was "done right" (LOL) then I wouldn't worry about dialing with the 2-8 version. BUT..... everyone is so hung up on dialing even with reticles that BY DESIGN were put together to eliminate having to dial... IE basically EVERY tree, BDC, holdover reticle... that if it doesn't have at least an exposed elevation turret, it probably wouldn't sell enough to recoup costs.

 

[wyosam]

@Formidilosus and @Ryan Avery , what do you guys think the lower weight limit for this possible 2-8x36 scope is after going through the process on the 3-18?

I wouldn’t expect a miracle. The credo 2-10 x 36 is still 23oz, so don’t expect a featherweight like the little Leupold. This initial scope didn’t get down to the original goal. Seems reliable guts in a scope come with a weight penalty. Could likely push the weight down with SFP. I don’t know how/why but there is a FFP weight penalty as well. The little ffp credo weighs the same as the 2.5-15 x 42 SFP. The SWFA 3-9 is a bit lighter, so hopefully they can get this thing down. Either way, if they put a 2-8 on the market I’ll buy several. If the credo 2-10 had a decent reticle it would be perfect.


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[Q_Sertorius]

Am I the only one wondering what “done right” means on a 2-8x36 scope? 2-8 and ffp/dialing seems like an odd mix of features to me so curious what they have in mind as far as what “done right” means. I would think they’ll weed out most of their potential customers shopping for a dialing scope by going that low in magnification, so it’s hard to imagine it as being anything but a nod to the super-ultralightweight crowd.

It sounds like the perfect hunting scope to me.

 

[WyldGoose]

Whose boal do I gotta wallop to get a SWFA 3-9 with the S2H reticle, capped wind, and low profile elevation turret w/zero stop?

With smaller turrets you’d already be under the 20oz 3-9. Perfect scope. Done.

 

[43.6N]

It sounds like the perfect hunting scope to me.

Agree. That’s exactly what it sounds like to me.

 

[SDHNTR]

While I don't completely disagree, it does allow a company to often purchase larger quantities, thus getting the price down. Also helps them understand the actual demand. Lots talk about what they want, but won't fork out the money when the time comes. It's a way to speed up growth.

I understand what you’re saying, but it’s called risk, and acceptance of it is a cornerstone of capitalism. Businesses assume the risk, not pass it off to the consumer. Consumers shouldn’t be so gullible so as to allow this practice to proliferate.

 

[Formidilosus]

Am I the only one wondering what “done right” means on a 2-8x36 scope?

Durable, reliable, FFP, reticle done well, light, small.

2-8 and ffp/dialing seems like an odd mix of features to me so curious what they have in mind as far as what “done right” means. I would think they’ll weed out most of their potential customers shopping for a dialing scope by going that low in magnification,

How does FFP and sailing seem like an odd mix on any scope?

so it’s hard to imagine it as being anything but a nod to the super-ultralightweight crowd.

Yes. Literally a shell/mountain scope. That also would be great on any standard hunting rifle.

 

[Axlrod]

Prepay is a scam. It’s an interest free loan. It shows lack of confidence, fear of risk, and/or lack of capitalization/credit worthiness on the part of the business. It’s a red flag to me. And it surely hasn’t worked out so well previously for the retailer in question.

See something I want, buy it out of current inventory, have it shipped to my home. If it’s sold out, wait until more is in stock. That’s how retail should work.

I don't think you understand what a scam is. Pre-pay is for someone that knows there is not a ship date, and knows they are offering an interest free loan. You can not scam the willing! It's not for you, great. It is for those that want one of these scopes, and there would be lots that would willingly pay up front. It's a free market economy, let the market work.

 

[Formidilosus]

Honestly id love to see a fixed 8x. Everyone is real queer about the SWFA 6x but I actually prefer the fixed 10. A fixed 8x with the THLR I think would be perfect

Ryan and I too.

 

[Formidilosus]

I wrote a lengthy reply, and as I was writing it my opinion evolved significantly.

When form said 2 to 8 x 36, I immediately thought of a 2FP point-and-shoot-only scope, which seemed out of character for this crowd, and just seems different from what “most” people are looking for when they buy a dialing scope. I should not have said odd, “unconventional” is just a better word, and I’m talking mostly about a sales volume perspective. But, since I would love to find a reliable 2 to 8 x 36 point and shoot scope, my interest perked up.

That said, in the NX6 thread, I made a big stink about the reticle, saying that it was perhaps a different use case then someone who dialed on a regular basis and might be happy with a 3-18 scope. There’s no reason why a 2-8 ffp scope can’t work for me at home, and also dial when I take trips west. It’s just not what I immediately thought of based on the magnification range, that’s all. For someone who only hunts in the east, having a dial that’s possible to spin introduces unreliability with very little if any benefit compared to the same scope that cannot possibly spin, but if there’s any crossover or longer range use then obviously it’s a good feature to have in balance. Ultimately I’m really just curious what exactly they have in mind for this, is this a longer-range focused sheep hunting scope so it’s designed to be uber-lightweight, or is this a eastern woods scope that can do double-duty in the west? Those two things might be the same, or they might not, remains to be seen based on the details. That’s just what has me curious about the details is all.

All of your concerns are our concerns. A good “eastern” scope, is a good “sheep” scope.

 

[Macintosh]

Durable, reliable, FFP, reticle done well, light, small.



How does FFP and sailing seem like an odd mix on any scope?




Yes. Literally a shell/mountain scope. That also would be great on any standard hunting rifle.

Crossed replies!

Ffp and dialing=makes perfect sense.

Combining that with 2-8 magnification is just unconventional. Which I should expect from you, BUT its not where my mind went when you threw out “2-8x36”. I’m really just curious to see what you guys interpret that scope as, and how or if it fits into my use, that’s all. I find that magnification more interesting than 3 to 18. My question is really whether it’s a “crossover from hunting at home to sometimes hunting in the west” scope, or if it would make me happy as a “dedicated hunting at home” scope. Which is definitely a devil is in the details question and likely far too early to say. But you have my attention.

 

[Formidilosus]

I may end up here:

https://www.eurooptic.com/trijicon-credo-2-10x36-ffp-w-red-mrad-precision-tree-30mm-matte-black-riflescope?srsltid=AfmBOorQmCVCBmxFB6LKGMVXzc0v6zTdSb20Px4d3w6IkwpdDWfj6Fc_

If the reticle suits you, it’s fine. For me and a lot of others, the reticle is a complete fail. Not only that, it’s heavier than the 3-9x SWFA which is the current best scope on the market in that power range.

 

[Formidilosus]

If the reticle was "done right" (LOL) then I wouldn't worry about dialing with the 2-8 version. BUT..... everyone is so hung up on dialing even with reticles that BY DESIGN were put together to eliminate having to dial... IE basically EVERY tree, BDC, holdover reticle... that if it doesn't have at least an exposed elevation turret, it probably wouldn't sell enough to recoup costs.

Holding elevation will always be slower to hit, with more misses than dialing elevation and holding wind. Nothing changes due to 8x.

 

[Formidilosus]

This initial scope didn’t get down to the original goal.

Because it would require a ground up new design which is 2’ish years.

Seems reliable guts in a scope come with a weight penalty. Could likely push the weight down with SFP. I don’t know how/why but there is a FFP weight penalty as well. The little ffp credo weighs the same as the 2.5-15 x 42 SFP. The SWFA 3-9 is a bit lighter, so hopefully they can get this thing down. Either way, if they put a 2-8 on the market I’ll buy several. If the credo 2-10 had a decent reticle it would be perfect.

It is possible to get a reliable scope under 20iz.

 

[Formidilosus]

Whose boal do I gotta wallop to get a SWFA 3-9 with the S2H reticle, capped wind, and low profile elevation turret w/zero stop?

With smaller turrets you’d already be under the 20oz 3-9. Perfect scope. Done.

When this current scope comes out, let the manufacturer know that is what you want.


If enough people let them know that they want a proper LW 3-9x type scope, it will happen.