Would you buy this scope?

[Dobermann]

Even if all the ranging stuff is removed, I do not see myself using the aim short dot or the aim long dot — just excess clutter IMO. And honestly think the features of the wind brackets are too cartridge and range specific to be applicable to a wide hunting market across different calibers and ranges. The broken lines and spacing is unnatural to me and harder to use with standard wind calls then just a normal consistent graduation pattern would be.

If anyone’s used this reticle and can provide real world examples of how these features were better than standard dialing for range and holding for normal wind calls, I’d love to hear about it. I am open minded.

I personally think you are going to hurt your number of sales using this reticle. Especially if Maven comes out with a 3x18 version using their MIL reticle. That reticle is slightly harder to see at low power, but still perfectly usable (it’s basically a standard duplex at 2.5x). And the windage sub-tensions can be picked up and used by anyone without having to go watch a bunch of videos and read articles about wind brackets that may or may not be applicable to them.

You do know you can use it as a straight mil-based reticle and not have to use the added intuitive/'speed' aspects?

 

[Fowl Play]

You do know you can use it as a straight mil-based reticle and not have to use the added intuitive/'speed' aspects?

You definitely can, I’m just saying there’s still allot going on with windage.

The thicker black bars measuring .4-.8 mil out for “medium wind” obscure the actual .2 increment hash marks if you wanted to hold conventionally. The broken pattern from 1-2mil looks hard to follow against a target. The full 1 mil wide box seems unnecessary, etc. I just don’t see how this is “better” than a standard .2 mil pattern would be.

I’d love to look through one side by side with a more conventional increment pattern and see for myself. Just appears harder to use in the reference photos.

 

[RockAndSage]

Even if all the ranging stuff is removed

@Ryan Avery , if there's any way to keep a simplified ranging element to this, off in the corner somewhere, it would be useful and appreciated. Maybe something similar to what Primary Arms has done with their ACSS variants - an 18" baseline, IIRC, that matches up with the height of most deer ribcages...

 

[Jdunning4152]

Yes!

 

[Dobermann]

@Ryan Avery , if there's any way to keep a simplified ranging element to this, off in the corner somewhere, it would be useful and appreciated. Maybe something similar to what Primary Arms has done with their ACSS variants - an 18" baseline, IIRC, that matches up with the height of most deer ribcages...

Just in case you haven't seen it, @Formidilosus made a mock-up of a simplified ranging guide in one of the ZP5 threads ...

 

[RockAndSage]

Just in case you haven't seen it, @Formidilosus made a mock-up of a simplified ranging guide in one of the ZP5 threads ...

Haven't seen anything about whether or not a simplified ranging reticle has actually been included in the specs...

 

[Formidilosus]

Haven't seen anything about whether or not a simplified ranging reticle has actually been included in the specs...

It has not. Ryan, and most others did not want it.

 

[RockAndSage]

It has not. Ryan, and most others did not want it.

That's a bummer, but thanks for confirming.

 

[Formidilosus]

That's a bummer, but thanks for confirming.

If the scope works, I imagine eventually they’re will be a version with it.

 

[RockAndSage]

If the scope works, I imagine eventually they’re will be a version with it.

That would be excellent. Only other option would be to bump up to the ZP5 at some point, but I really can't justify that without having the long-range skill sets better established.

 

[Schmo]

That would be excellent. Only other option would be to bump up to the ZP5 at some point, but I really can't justify that without having the long-range skill sets better established.

I liked it better when you were talking about long range skillets!

 

[RockAndSage]

I liked it better when you were talking about long range skillets!

Lol, thought I'd caught that one in time.

 

[Schmo]

Lol, thought I'd caught that one in time.

You were fast, but my email notification had the unedited version.

 

[Dobermann]

That would be excellent. Only other option would be to bump up to the ZP5 at some point, but I really can't justify that without having the long-range skill sets better established.

Buuuuut ... is that slightly chicken and egg, though?

My guess - and it's only a guess - is that the ZP5 is niche enough that it won't be around new for much longer. But the niche appeal means there'll likely be a small, but present, secondhand market - hence meaning that buying one now is a bit of a win-win proposition.

And if you thought you'd ever want a scope in that mag range - well, apart from the reticle itself having all of the benefits that it has, with the Rokscope variants (and the RS1.2, to an extent), then you'd end up with a family of scopes for various applications that will all feel fairly familiar - rather than having to reorient to quite different reticles each time.

It's also worth remembering that few people who are more on the 'glass is very/most important' side of the house raved when the ZP5 came out (a couple of notable people on the Hide, for example). And, conversely, some who are on the 'glass comes well down the list after durability, usable reticle, etc', such as Form, have commented on the glass on the ZP5 when they might not otherwise bother and/or notice so much.

 

[nm.otter]

If this thing is clear and flat to 18x, I can't really see a hunting use case for more. As several have already mentioned, a 3-12x with less weight/length would be quite sufficient for my real-world needs.

ZP5 probably makes sense for LR competition.

 

[TimberHunter]

If this thing is clear and flat to 18x, I can't really see a hunting use case for more. As several have already mentioned, a 3-12x with less weight/length would be quite sufficient for my real-world needs.

ZP5 probably makes sense for LR competition.

Pretty sure they already talked about this. It was going to be the same scope body regardless if it was 12x,15x or 18x. Only different was the zoom dial would stop earlier on the lower mag scope. Figured why hinder the zoom for no benefit in weight/size


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[Packmansion]

That reticle is a hot disaster. Terrible hunting reticle.

The P3L, while not perfect is a whole lot closer.

I agree but it shows you what you can do with a dual reticle system.

 

[RockAndSage]

Buuuuut ... is that slightly chicken and egg, though?

My guess - and it's only a guess - is that the ZP5 is niche enough that it won't be around new for much longer. But the niche appeal means there'll likely be a small, but present, secondhand market - hence meaning that buying one now is a bit of a win-win proposition.

And if you thought you'd ever want a scope in that mag range - well, apart from the reticle itself having all of the benefits that it has, with the Rokscope variants (and the RS1.2, to an extent), then you'd end up with a family of scopes for various applications that will all feel fairly familiar - rather than having to reorient to quite different reticles each time.

It's also worth remembering that few people who are more on the 'glass is very/most important' side of the house raved when the ZP5 came out (a couple of notable people on the Hide, for example). And, conversely, some who are on the 'glass comes well down the list after durability, usable reticle, etc', such as Form, have commented on the glass on the ZP5 when they might not otherwise bother and/or notice so much.

You're talking too much sense. Plus, it's a damned Ferrari, and maybe I just want a damned Ferrari...

What would make a difference is if I had to wait another year or so for the Rokscope. I'd very much like to be into that reticle before next year's big game seasons.

 

[Dobermann]

You're talking too much sense. Plus, it's a damned Ferrari, and maybe I just want a damned Ferrari...

What would make a difference is if I had to wait another year or so for the Rokscope. I'd very much like to be into that reticle before next year's big game seasons.

Well then, you've sealed your own deal - the recent S2H podcast said the Rokscope is a year away. Job done!

(And if you end up not wanting the ZP5, I'm pretty sure @Ryan Avery. @Formidilosus, or myself would happily buy it from you.)

 

[Josey D]

What would make a difference is if I had to wait another year or so for the Rokscope. I'd very much like to be into that reticle before next year's big game seasons.

This, I need one, possibly two scopes by next fall's hunting season (late Aug). I don't want to buy two scopes for a year & then try & sell them used for a reduced rate. If is a year away as Dobermann just stated, thank you for the update. I will plan accordingly & move on to something else.