Wolves are bad???

[Quandary]

There are none in the UK, the idiots in France allowed them back in the Alps in the mid 90s, a couple hundred in the Netherlands, 20 in Belgium so on and so forth. There are a few. I guess lunacy is not limited to the US.

 

[displacedtexan]

What do you think accounts for the difference? Observation bias? Or something different about the predator-prey relationship in each place?

I'm no biologist...

But places with wolf management sure seem to have fewer wolf issues...

 

[Blowdowner]

Now we’re paying for it.

Paying for what?

 

[Quandary]

 

[treydfoster]

The Europeans have it right. In today's world there is no rational reason to have wolves. The only reason to support the introduction of a wolf population is to eliminate big hunt hunting. Unfortunately it will come at the cost of a few women hikers killed by wolf packs, then we will see a quick change in attitude of the environmental left.

You mean the italians? The germans? Romanians? Wolves all over those countries.

 

[Pony Soldier]

Growing up in Montana, we had timber wolves scattered in the mountains. They tended to be solitary and more of a medium size. The planted pack wolves from Canada are lots bigger and hunt in packs.

I have been told that the imported wolves have completrly iradicated the native species. Another example of bucket biology but by government.

Since this was done by the Clintons the proper choice would be complete elimonation and start over.

 

[welkin]

Growing up in Montana, we had timber wolves scattered in the mountains. They tended to be solitary and more of a medium size. The planted pack wolves from Canada are lots bigger and hunt in packs.

I have been told that the imported wolves have completrly iradicated the native species. Another example of bucket biology but by government.

Since this was done by the Clintons the proper choice would be complete elimonation and start over.

Which species have they eradicated

 

[Pony Soldier]

Timber wolves or that is what I was told by the biologists doing a study in 9-mile in the middle 90s.

 

[mt terry d]

Which species have they eradicated

I'm not sure what they were called but they were smaller.
A friend had a video of a small pack residing on a ranch he worked on up by Choteau
It was sort of kept secret as the landowner liked having them and they didn't cause them any harm.
This was pre-invasive species import. I don't know if they are still there.

There were also a few in YNP but that's kept pretty hush hush, naturally.

Where I hunted a lot there were trophy class moose I'd see regularly and the elk population was great.

After the wolves came in the moose were practically non-existent and very few elk.
It was disgraceful.

I don't hate wolves; I despise the liars who were responsible and complicit in importing them as they did.

 

[Quandary]

You mean the italians? The germans? Romanians? Wolves all over those countries.

The English

 

[journeyman713]

The lesson of wolves can be told by people from my state.

Wisconsin, used to be the national leader for whitetail harvests, still holds the record. For the past decade, it produces half those numbers, particularly alarming considering, since then, we’ve added crossbows, give away free tags, extended season dates, and added bonus hunts.

In the 90s, our State invested in a wolf 'recolonization' program, goal was 83 wolves in the north half of the state, no harm in 83, right?

Last year it was reported, compensation for wolf depredation exceeded $4 million paid out by the state, for pet and livestock killings. This just the money paid out, there are challenges to meet, you need proof, beyond any doubt it was a wolf, then there are claim limits. Calves killed in a stampede running for their life – not covered, never found your pet remains– not covered, etc.

Any Wisconsin hunter can tell you, the north half of the State has a Wolf-problem, and a Lack-of-deer-problem. It’s also the area where wolf claims are made. Can you still hunt deer up north? Sure, but you better have 3 things going for you; Very good hunting skills, A lot of time to spend, and some Luck. There will not be many opportunities. Not uncommon for an entire hunting party to get nothing, see nothing. Hate to see a kid lose interest because ‘hunting sucks’, who will mentor his kids?

Hunting license applications are on the decline, despite the new incentives, first timer-$5 bucks, haven’t hunted in a while-$5 bucks, and the hunting age was lowered to 10.

In 2021, our only wolf hunt happened, lottery for a permit, 100 wolf goal, 24 hours to call it in.
I applied, didn’t get it, no one I know did, a bunch of random hunters, with unknown wolf hunting experience set out. The State couldn’t shut it down fast enough, goal was hit in a day, by the time calls stopped coming in – 218 wolves were dead. It definitely helped, but not enough to rebound the Deer herd up there, now it’s already worse than 2021.

Clearly, unmanaged, it’s unstoppable. But, it’s hard to get another wolf hunt approved, too many people fight it, obviously not hunters, or aware of what is happening.

I just wish those people would get enlightened, by having to make a wolf claim.

 

[glock233]

The wolf reintroduction program is unfortunately just an anti hunting thing.

The good faith aspects of wolf reintroduction are unfortunately misguided. In a pure state of nature it would probably balance out. But there’s two much human-caused pressure on deer species already. Wolves kill anything with a heartbeat. They’ll destroy these populations.

 

[Wagondriver]

Bring in wolves. Wolves decimate deer and elk and moose populations. Hunters, particularly new hunters lose interest. A generation of kids grow up without hunting. Without hunting many have no exposure to guns.

I grew up in Wisconsin, in the late 1980's deer kills started to exceed 300,000. Everyone killed deer. I visited a high school buddy in 2019. He was a guy that would sit in a box blind all day, every day of the season, for decades he killed a nice buck every year. In 2019 he told me that he could sit a whole season now and only see a handful of deer.

End result, wolves are a tool for the woke left to destroy hunting heritage, gun ownership and use.

 

[Pilsner]

OMG, How stupid are these people?

How much resource going to try to control an uncontrollable species while other species get left in the dust?

From the article;
The decision to euthanize the wolves followed a months-long effort to combat the surge in Sierra Valley cattle kills through "hazing" methods such as firing guns into the air, using trucks and ATVs to shoo wolves away, shooting non-lethal bean bags and harassing wolves with drone noises.

This summer, Fish and Wildlife staff spent 18,000 hours engaging in 95 hazing operations across 114 days at 18 ranches. Staff also helped facilitate investigations into cattle deaths, which allow ranchers to claim government compensation.

THIS IS THE CLAIM BY ANTI HUNTERS AND WOLF LOVERS [which are one in the same]

Article;The wolves' return has been praised by conservationists for its ecosystem balancing effect.

By controlling deer and elk populations, gray wolves allow overgrazed vegetation and trees to regrow, creating ripple effects that boost biodiversity and improve the overall health of the landscape.

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So instead of allowing more hunting which not only is very easy to control and hit harvest objectives, AND it provides healthy protein for families...... they bring in an uncontrollable species that has proven to be very difficult and expensive to control.

The stupidity is beyond belief. Humans will never advance until they learn from history.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989425005001

Flaws with the methodology invalided the claims made in the "trophic cascade" papers.

 

[displacedtexan]

Bring in wolves. Wolves decimate deer and elk and moose populations. Hunters, particularly new hunters lose interest. A generation of kids grow up without hunting. Without hunting many have no exposure to guns.

I grew up in Wisconsin, in the late 1980's deer kills started to exceed 300,000. Everyone killed deer. I visited a high school buddy in 2019. He was a guy that would sit in a box blind all day, every day of the season, for decades he killed a nice buck every year. In 2019 he told me that he could sit a whole season now and only see a handful of deer.

End result, wolves are a tool for the woke left to destroy hunting heritage, gun ownership and use.

About 1/3 of gun owners are hunters...

 

[7RemMag]

Paying for what?

Much of the destruction that was done to the natural world and resources of this continent was done with little oversight or forward thinking for future generations at the time. Now, subsequent generations are feeling the effects of industrialization and settlement decades and even centuries later. The comment didn’t mean to imply any monetary payment due to those actions although they certainly have at times cast pretty significant financial burden.

 

[Tenstrike]

Wisconsin did not pay out $4 million in wolf depredation payments last year. Wisconsin paid out 3.7 million in depredation payments over the last 40 years. Just keeping it real. Carry on.

 

[Speaks]

My place I am co-owner of in Northern WI is now near devoid of deer.

Just out of curiosity what part? Im near the border of Rusk and Sawyer county and deer have been lower the last couple years and wolves are as high as I have ever seen them but I have yet to go to any area of NW WI that is anywhere close to devoid of deer. It does tend to feel that way during rifle season but Im up there full time all fall and half time all summer and there are lots of them around in my area.

 

[Questionablemorel]

Anyone here reading up on the latest research in ecology? Remember folks you need to utilize preventative measures before "bemoaning" about wild animals in wild places.

No different than a squirrel in your soffit. Learn to live with the ecology around you. Maybe read up on "A Sand County Almanac"?

 

[mt terry d]

Anyone here reading up on the latest research in ecology? Remember folks you need to utilize preventative measures before "bemoaning" about wild animals in wild places.

One thing at a time.