Will be interesting to see what happens with this

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You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet! There is quite a bit of cattle grazing on National Forest lands. It isn’t just about private ranches within the forest. There will be cattle that will just go missing on National Forest lands where no one will find them. By the way, the gates on NF lands need to stay closed to keep the cattle in. It was a huge mistake to release wolves in Colorado. You would think they would have learned after all of the issues New Mexico has had to deal with. But no, we the People have to throw all of this tax money into the wolf pit instead of managing wildlife.
 
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Looks like one group is trying to put together a ballot proposal to do something about it.

I Did not know that was the target number of wolves they are aiming for (150 - 200)

Anyone know if this is a likely number?

Hopefully enough people make a storm with lawsuits, appeals etc before they get close to 150. Or is this wishfull thinking
 

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I Did not know that was the target number of wolves they are aiming for (150 - 200)

Anyone know if this is a likely number?

Hopefully enough people make a storm with lawsuits, appeals etc before they get close to 150. Or is this wishfull thinking
Real numbers is 1000’s of wolves, they want established packs on any and all viable habitat throughout the state, initial introduction of 150-200. These nuts want to eliminate hunting via “ 4 legged predator” management. They think nature can balance its like it did when there was little to no human trace on the continent.
 

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There is a phased approach and thresholds listed on page 24 of the adopted Wolf Plan. The 2 biggest issues I see with this plan is when the end of Phase 2 is reached at 2 years at a of min of 150 wolves confirmed there will likely 200+ and every year they are forecast to double so the first year of 150+ is really 200+ and the second year the true population will likely be closer to 400+. Phase 3 will then be hotly debated because they these wolves are now on the books of CPW by law as a "nongame species" and I read that as a 3-5 year fight to get them reclassified. At that point we are easily at 1000+ wolves. If I was in any adjoining states especially Utah, Nebraska & Kansas and probably SD and OK I'd be pressuring those states to adopt a ZERO wolf policy NOW not later.
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The distribution of funds was pretty eye opening to me. I'm sure alot of people will see the 500k number and not read any further though.

This is like any other government program to me. Full of potential abuse and hoops to jump through.
 

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Real numbers is 1000’s of wolves, they want established packs on any and all viable habitat throughout the state, initial introduction of 150-200. These nuts want to eliminate hunting via “ 4 legged predator” management. They think nature can balance its like it did when there was little to no human trace on the continent.
That is absolutely 100% correct. The antis have been doing this for decades. They are trying to build up as many apex predators as possible in an area until the number of tags allocated to sport hunting for ungulates is reduced zero. Gray wolves should not even be listed as there are plenty of wolves in various Northern border states. There just isn’t enough habitat to move wolves any further South. The Mexican wolf is a different matter and is a sub-species. All just my opinion of course.

However the wolf people are all giddy now that the Lobos are moving North of I-40 and are hoping that they will meet up with the gray wolves that will come South of I-70 in Colorado. But what they don’t seem to understand is that if the greys mix with the lobos, the lobos could possibly hybridize to the point of extinction. As it turns out the release of lobos in the Gila was a huge mistake (IMO). Some packs have been relocated but not enough. The release point should have been in South East AZ only, not in New Mexico. Maybe that is enough of a buffer zone. Once again just my unqualified opinion as I am not a biologist. No one seems to be talking about EIS or EIRs (Environmental and Economic impact studies. The EIR should be the cornerstone of any “recovery” plan for any species. Science doesn’t seem to enter the picture at all for wolf introduction which I think is the elephant in the room.
 
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