Why so much emphasis on super fast prone shots?

I dont hunt the prairie. And i am for sure not a bow hunter......But I do wonder how many bow hunters shoot from the prone position?

Inside 200yrds, why offhand isnt a thought..I do not know
First common sense would say it’s pretty hard to draw a bow laying on your belly so there’s that.

Why would I shoot off hand when I can set up a rock solid shooting position or I’m putting a stalk on an animal I know exactly where they are at I crawl over the hill and am on the binoods . Even if a deer pops up I always have shooting sticks I can kneel down and use them. The off hand is last resort out here for me and most people I know.
 
Who’s this y’all you speak of? The straw men you keep throwing up?

The Hunter drill that seems to have you and Marshfly so lathered up has a 1:1 ratio of shots fired offhand vs shots fired prone if you’re cycling through it as designed.

Dunno about being lathered up.

How many shots have been practiced prone/bipod/tripod whatnot vs offhand? I bet it isnt even close
 
First common sense would say it’s pretty hard to draw a bow laying on your belly so there’s that.

Exactly. Also why is that the norm and also very successful ,,,yet with a rifle, omg no dont do that.... Dare I toss out the not ethical line :ROFLMAO:


Why would I shoot off hand when I can set up a rock solid shooting position or I’m putting a stalk on an animal I know exactly where they are at I crawl over the hill and am on the binoods . Even if a deer pops up I always have shooting sticks I can kneel down and use them. The off hand is last resort out here for me and most people I know.

How much offhand rifle shooting have you actually done? I bet it isnt even close to shots off of a bag/sticks/whatnot

I dont know a single person packing shooting sticks. Never met a guy that shot off a tripod either. Where I hunt, inside 200ish yrds. It is going to be an offhand shot if there isnt a tree to lean against. Amazing how many animals hit the ground....
 
Are we really talking about shooting bows prone?


Not too much of the sauce. Just making a comparison... Always cracked me up. How many folks on here will not shoot a rifle from anything but a rock solid rest....But pick up a bow? Free hand that shit and even if you loose the animal, take a pic of the notched tag and it's e-hugs for days :rolleyes:

Very interesting how defensive folks got when asked about shooting offhand though...Very interesting
 
I dont know a single person packing shooting sticks. Never met a guy that shot off a tripod either. Where I hunt, inside 200ish yrds. It is going to be an offhand shot if there isnt a tree to lean against. Amazing how many animals hit the ground....
Dad hunted that way for decades. About ten years ago, a neighbor showed us his bog pod. No death grip. Just a tripod with a cradle. Dad immediately went home and ordered himself one. Soon after I got my own. It most definitely tipped the odds further in our favor. It’s quick to deploy if needed and you can always take the offhand shot if needed. For youth and inexperienced hunters it’s a lifesaver. I wouldn’t say neither of us head into the field without it, but if we’re hunting together it’s rare that one of the two of us doesn’t have a set.
 
How many shots have been practiced prone/bipod/tripod whatnot vs offhand? I bet it isnt even close
I've shot over 1k rounds of 22LR in the last 2 months from prone, prone with bipod, seated, kneeling, standing, and off a tripod while shooting steel at 50 to 95 yards. Of that 1k less than 50 have been prone. Around 400 rounds have been open sights, 400 scoped, and 200 from a green dot. I like to shoot. It calms my mind after a long day. I even got a rimfire suppressor to make my practice just like the real thing. In the last 2 weeks I also shot around 200 rounds combined of 223, 22 ARC, 6 ARC, and 6CM between new guns, new scopes, and new ammo. Most of that was prone to get speeds and check for accuracy or shooting at 500 yards. With centerfire cartridges I don't even get excited about shooting prone with a centerfire until 500 yards. 300 yards is pretty easy for seated, kneeling, or tripod. 200 is doable on demand when offhand both supported and freestanding but not my preferred way to shoot game so I don't practice it a whole lot with centerfire rifles.

How often do you shoot and what positions are you preparing for your seasons?

Jay
 
Not too much of the sauce. Just making a comparison... Always cracked me up. How many folks on here will not shoot a rifle from anything but a rock solid rest....But pick up a bow? Free hand that shit and even if you loose the animal, take a pic of the notched tag and it's e-hugs for days :rolleyes:

Very interesting how defensive folks got when asked about shooting offhand though...Very interesting

That comparison is so far afield it may as well be apples and hand grenades


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That comparison is so far afield it may as well be apples and hand grenades


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Curious, are you throwing your hand grenades from offhand or prone?

Any trajectory difference when throwing the apples vs the hand grenades? How are your groups with each?
 
Seems like it’s a 50/50 to me. Had plenty of off hand close range shots off hand and then hurry up and get prone to shoot. Mostly bears and blacktails where shots are between trees.
 
It’s the general “gun folks” way unfortunately. Rather than trying something new, or use a known schooling method to become more effective, they’d rather dismiss it and call it a “cult”. That’s sort of the “mantra” of so many folks who can’t wrap their head around certain “controversial” topics that get posted here.

Wanna know how I know? Look at my posts on Rokslide from 4-6 years ago. You’ll see a lot of similarities in what I wrote, specifically regarding dropping scopes. Once my slow brain realized it wasn’t about “dropping scopes” all along, and tried things for myself, the immense helpings of humble pie started to actually taste decent, and then starting tasting really good. Because I got better. And I was somebody who got paid to shoot guns. I was somebody who “knew shit” and shot 10s of thousands of rounds a year. And taught other shooters how to shoot and hunt. I was a competition winner and “already had all the answers.”

It’s easy to be like the old me and take cheap shots on the internet and already be “good”, and dismiss ideas because they are different from what “I know works.”

I think @Marshfly came into this with general curiosity with maybe a splash of “you guys are idiots” haha. It’s a good topic to discuss.

It turns into a cult when the dumb ass word "Fudd" or stupid ass phrase "Fudd lore" is thrown around by the guys trying something new toward the guys that know what works for them...
 
I have shot; off hand, bipod prone, bipod standing, tri pod sitting, tri pod standing, off a down tree, squeed my rifle to a small tree. I have used every way out side of off a pack. All had the need to make fast shots inside of 4-12 seconds but 2 of the last 8 big game I took. I want to be good and fast at all positions. The lower I can get the steadier I am.

I am the worst at off hand and need to practice it more. I do 3-4 range trips a year working 400-600 yards and I know the "feel" it takes to take and make a good shot in good conditions. I shoot about 250-300 shots a year I would say. Not enough. I don't reload yet and will start in a few years.
 
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