Who is Gunwerk’s target customer

[Marbles]

A tikka or sako? Over a 700 clone? Are you for real?

His response was a perfect demonstration of my point on feeling threatened. If you can't articulate what makes something better, and default to attacking things that work, it gives the impression the better thing is not actually better.

Seeing the post on how he owns 5 Sako's, and presumably a Gunwerks, he should be well positioned to extol the virtues of the Gunwerks, but doesn't. Sorta drives home the point that Gunwerks customers tend to ignore the details.

 

[BCDJR]

His response was a perfect demonstration of my point on feeling threatened. If you can't articulate what makes something better, and default to attacking things that work, it gives the impression the better thing is not actually better.

Seeing the post on how he owns 5 Sako's, and presumably a Gunwerks, he should be well positioned to extol the virtues of the Gunwerks, but doesn't. Sorta drives home the point that Gunwerks customers tend to ignore the details.

Wrong again…..I have 2 Gunwerks rifles. I am certainly not threatened. Just wondered about your personal experiences shooting a Gunwerks rifle. Sounds like zero. So throw shade at GW from behind your little keyboard

 

[Marbles]

Wrong again…..I have 2 Gunwerks rifles. I am certainly not threatened. Just wondered about your personal experiences shooting a Gunwerks rifle. Sounds like zero. So throw shade at GW from behind your little keyboard

I said probably in my first statement, intentionally leaving room for possibly being wrong; yet despite having 5 Sako's and 2 Gunwerks you have provided no useful information to explain why the Gunwerks is better.

Trying to gatekeep the discussion by insisting people have spent thousands on a product first further illustrates my point. It is the behavior of someone who feels threatened or of a used car salesman, not of someone with a firm grasp and a product that sells itself; owning something says nothing about actually understanding it.

 

[BCDJR]

I said probably in my first statement, intentionally leaving room for possibly being wrong; yet despite having 5 Sako's and 2 Gunwerks you have provided no useful information to explain why the Gunwerks is better.

Trying to gatekeep the discussion by insisting people have spent thousands on a product first further illustrates my point. It is the behavior of someone who feels threatened or of a used car salesman, not of someone with a firm grasp and a product that sells itself; owning something says nothing about actually understanding it.

I understand it……seems you have no clue or hands on experience with their product. Yet you can not admit it. But you act like an authoritarian. Your information is all internet based. You must sit on the internet for hours a day

 

[CMP70306]

And the point being, those people who aren’t “gun people” shouldn’t be shooting at live animals at “1000 yards out of the box.” That is a specialized skill set that absolutely should only be performed by “gun people” who are intimately familiar with all aspects of their rifle system. Not those that are only interested in the results.

Military and law enforcement snipers regularly engage targets out 1000 yards and they don’t have to do one minute of research setting up their gun or ammo because somebody else did it for them. All they have to do is focus on the results of their shooting and I don’t hear anybody bashing them for shooting $20,000 rifle systems.

The fact is if the gun is set up from the factory with the correct ammo to take 1,000 yard shots you can spend more time shooting and practicing, ie getting results, vs spending a bunch of time researching parts and tinkering with your gear to get it to shoot the way you want it.

If you’re into that it’s fine, I am and I’m the reason my Dad and Brother have any custom rifles at all. They just simply want a rifle they can pick up and use to kill deer and I'm willing to spec out and assemble a rifle to meet their needs.

No the arguement is if they don't have the time to be a "gun person" as SD alluded to, they also don't have the time to be proficient enough to shoot at animals long range.

“Gun Person” =/= competent shooter. Just because someone doesn’t want to spend a bunch of hours researching what parts to get, getting their hodgepodge of parts to work right, hand loading their own ammo, all the wasted range time working up loads for the first time or all the other little annoyances we tolerate because we enjoy the process and the satisfaction of the end result doesn’t mean they are incapable of shooting well at long range. Some people don’t want to be bothered with the “getting shit to work so I can do stuff” phase and want to go straight to the “my shit works and is not holding me back from doing stuff” phase.

If I took the hundreds if not thousands of hours I’ve spent researching, building, tinkering, hand loading rifles and ammo over the last 12 years and converted that to dry fire and live fire practice I’d probably be a much better shooter than I am now.

 

[BLJ]

From what I’ve read the Gunwerks rifles are geared toward long range hunting. Not necessarily long range shooting.

What distance do they consider long range?

If I bought a system, at what distance should I expect to be proficient at killing animals?

I looked on the site and couldn’t really find a number.

 

[z987k]

From what I’ve read the Gunwerks rifles are geared toward long range hunting. Not necessarily long range shooting.

What distance do they consider long range?

If I bought a system, at what distance should I expect to be proficient at killing animals?

I looked on the site and couldn’t really find a number.

Without all the work that goes into it besides buying a rifle... 150 yards.

 

[BLJ]

Without all the work that goes into it besides buying a rifle... 150 yards.

I assumed farther than that.

 

[Marbles]

I understand it……seems you have no clue or hands on experience with their product. Yet you can not admit it. But you act like an authoritarian. Your information is all internet based. You must sit on the internet for hours a day

Look, grandma is calling me up to dinner (chef boyardee fresh from the microwave, so I better not keep her waiting).

Seriously though, how hard is it to objectively state why you think the Gunwerks is better that a Sako 90?

 

[realunlucky]

This thread is getting into the weeds and frankly these rude and condescending remarks will not be tolerated. Fix yourselves or pack your bags

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[z987k]

I assumed farther than that.

The question your asking is basically how far should one shoot at animals with little to no practice. Buying the system does nothing for you in that regard.

 

[SDHNTR]

The question your asking is basically how far should one shoot at animals with little to no practice. Buying the system does nothing for you in that regard.

That can’t be true! Because… “1000 yards out of the box!”

 

[BLJ]

The question your asking is basically how far should one shoot at animals with little to no practice. Buying the system does nothing for you in that regard.

I agree.

I just thought there would be some kind of number involved somewhere.

Maybe like “For $12k you should be able to hit (whatever size target) at (whatever distance).

The accuracy claims I’ve seen from factory rifles with factory ammo have generally been for 3 shots at 100 yards.
Suggesting they are capable of MOA accuracy.

I was just wondering if Gunwerks had something similar, but at a greater level.

 

[nm.otter]

The accuracy claims I’ve seen from factory rifles with factory ammo have generally been for 3 shots at 100 yards.
Suggesting they are capable of MOA accuracy.

...some of the time.

 

[BLJ]

...some of the time.

Absolutely agree.

 

[SDHNTR]

I agree.

I just thought there would be some kind of number involved somewhere.

Maybe like “For $12k you should be able to hit (whatever size target) at (whatever distance).

The accuracy claims I’ve seen from factory rifles with factory ammo have generally been for 3 shots at 100 yards.
Suggesting they are capable of MOA accuracy.

I was just wondering if Gunwerks had something similar, but at a greater level.

Gunwerks absolutely makes that claim! Their company slogan is “1000 yards out of the box”.

 

[BLJ]

Gunwerks absolutely makes that claim! Their company slogan is “1000 yards out of the box”.

I looked this morning at their site. Must have missed it.

I’ll look again. Thanks.

 

[SDHNTR]

I realize you are trolling hard, but here you go:

 

[Marbles]

I looked this morning at their site. Must have missed it.

I’ll look again. Thanks.

I couldn't find it on their website and had to google "Gunwerks 1000 yards out of the box."

In context (they do say it in various places with all words capitalize suggesting it is a slogan), my interpretation is they are saying the rifle is good for 1000 out of the box, not that the shooter is. There is a difference. They also sell courses, which argues against Gunwerks claiming their rifles makes up for a lack of skill.

They also apply it to the Werkman rifle, which is their cheapest, so not a price dictates range thing like you were asking about.