Who is Gunwerk’s target customer

[RockAndSage]

and gives confidence to a shooter that the only blame for a poor shot is themselves, not the gun.

This is actually a good and underappreciated point. Very few guns are, in reality, "sub-MOA", and even fewer shooters are - but if a guy hasn't ever actually shot a legit sub-MOA gun, it can be problematic for him in establishing a baseline of what he personally is capable of.

 

[SDHNTR]

I'd argue if you don't have the time to dial in the gun yourself, you don't even remotely have the skill to use it.
You cannot buy the skill to shoot a rifle long range where you actually need anything approaching that type of gun. You can buy the gun, the custom ammo, even the courses to teach you, but you have to put in the time.

A $300 savage axis is going to be equally good for that ~150 yard max shot you should be attempting.

Yes. This!

 

[SDHNTR]

1. Wealthy. I have zero problem with being wealthy.
2. Lazy/uninterested/unwilling to learn. They just want the shortcut. I have a huge problem with this.

I despise the Gunwerks marketing model.

 

[tak]

I also despise the marketing. I also oppose the notion that they generally put out good quality. They (or maybe just Aaron) certainly will tell you over and over how good they are. I'll admit I've never bought a full gunwerks build, but I've bought a few things, and won't buy anything ever again. The best thing I bought from gunwerks was the sling, that actually works well.

Magnus stock -
bought it, took 6 months longer than promised. Okay it happens. It was supposed to be inletted for defiance and Hawkins Hunter DBM. Took major gunsmithing to get either to fit. Also it feels incredibly cheap, it's hollow, no fill at all, and the foreend is the same way. Their excuse is it's wasted weight, but they really just lost their foam supplier.

Bipod -
what a joke the first release was. I finally got the Gen 2. Worked okay at the range, nothing to write home about, less stable than an Atlas, although a little lighter. I never even took it on a hunt, and sold it (on here). Guy I sold it to took it out and the legs wouldn't stay locked open, crap material where the detent clicks in. I never had the issue, but like I said, I never even took it on a hunt. Thankfully, they sent him a new one.

Six Plus Suppressor -
Blew apart with under 200 rounds. Sent it back, they issued the recall the following week. I should have demanded a refund, but I didn't think they'd keep it (shards of metal) for over 6 months. Bought a TBAC in the meantime.
The six plus is not all that light when you add the muzzle device, and the sound suppression is just okay. Then, about a year later, I get another email that they had a second recall. I sent it back and they "tested" it and said it was okay. I've only used it on a 22ARC since then.

$20 sling -
Works great!


It also annoys the hell out of me how anti mils he is. He said on one podcast that people only use mils because they measure their dick in centimeters so it sounds longer. Does he really think you have to use metric to use mils? If you prefer MOA, be my guest, but why die on that hill and make statements that make it seem like you don't know what you're talking about?

Welp, typed way too much, but haven't seen quality in the things I've tried.

 

[Rock’N Tacos]

A few sincere questions - What is a solid alternative to gunwerks? Custom rifle built by who? Custom ammo and load development by who? Not really interested in their custom turrets, my RF provides solutions so its easy enough to spin a turret.

Who is going to stand behind their work with an accuracy guarantee or be around long enough to keep supplying my custom ammo?

Because if there is a better alternative, I might go that route.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

I bought their bipod, and that is about all I can afford.

Ditto.

They can keep their rifles for the guys that fly their to go see Aaron to buy a rifle. Pass.

I do like the bipod though.

 

[BCDJR]

A few sincere questions - What is a solid alternative to gunwerks? Custom rifle built by who? Custom ammo and load development by who? Not really interested in their custom turrets, my RF provides solutions so its easy enough to spin a turret.

Who is going to stand behind their work with an accuracy guarantee or be around long enough to keep supplying my custom ammo?

Because if there is a better alternative, I might go that route.

I laugh at the people who said you can buy a custom rifle for 50% less than Gunwerks. I had a few built by a gentleman who is considered “Hall of fame “ by the bench rest community. Great work and great performance out of the guns. It look over a year and I supplied the scopes and rings. I now have a couple of GW rifles and the cost ( with inflation factored in for last 10 years ) is about the same. There are a couple of companies who will charge you to ship your rifle to them and they will develop several custom loads for your review. They then will produce the ammo for you as needed. AZ ammo does this and I have used them in the past. Of course there is a wait time for the service but they give you a 20 page report on the quality of the custom build and point out any issues. They check things like lock time…etc. My point is you can get all the turnkey issues done by highly trained professionals who make a living doing this type of work. The costs and more importantly the time adds up.

 

[waspocrew]

1. Wealthy. I have zero problem with being wealthy.
2. Lazy/uninterested/unwilling to learn. They just want the shortcut. I have a huge problem with this.

I despise the Gunwerks marketing model.

Not saying you do this, but many people seem to think 1 = 2 here.

 

[SuperDUECE22]

GunWerks Target customer is an old boss of mine that i used to work for. He and his buddies struck it rich in the oil fields and now spend their time trying to one-up each other, one buys land, the next buys more; one builds a mansion, the next builds one bigger. He owns over 20 Gunwerks setups, but these are the types of guys that i've personally seen bet quarters of land over a card game.

 

[SDHNTR]

Not saying you do this, but many people seem to think 1 = 2 here.

And I would disagree with that premise wholeheartedly.

 

[CMP70306]

I'd argue if you don't have the time to dial in the gun yourself, you don't even remotely have the skill to use it.
You cannot buy the skill to shoot a rifle long range where you actually need anything approaching that type of gun. You can buy the gun, the custom ammo, even the courses to teach you, but you have to put in the time.

A $300 savage axis is going to be equally good for that ~150 yard max shot you should be attempting.

You don't have to hand load to shoot long range.
If they've got the time to be proficient at long range, then there's no reason to buy the Gunwerks. You can pay someone for a semi-custom or full custom for 1/4 or 1/2 the price.
There is no scenario where the gunwerks makes any sense except it's really expensive and I can.

There’s a major difference between not having the time to be proficient at shooting and not having the time to spend researching and compiling all the nuanced options for building a long range rifle system. Some people are more interested in results and buying a turnkey package from an established company is far more appealing than wrapping up a ton of their limited time researching and sourcing a bunch of parts from various manufacturers.

Sure with enough knowledge, time and looking you can put together a package for cheaper but there are plenty of people that would prefer to spend their time shooting something they know was set up correctly vs the hundreds of hours of research it would take to gain the knowledge to do it themselves.

I personally am a gun guy who enjoys assembling my rifles, hand loading my ammo and tinkering with both to get the results that I want. Gunwerks rifles don’t appeal to me for that reason though I do utilize some of their stuff through Revic. Some people however aren’t gun people and just want to buy something that works out of the box with all the supporting data and accruements so they can focus on what they actually want to do which is hit targets or take game.

 

[SDHNTR]

I laugh at the people who said you can buy a custom rifle for 50% less than Gunwerks. I had a few built by a gentleman who is considered “Hall of fame “ by the bench rest community. Great work and great performance out of the guns. It look over a year and I supplied the scopes and rings. I now have a couple of GW rifles and the cost ( with inflation factored in for last 10 years ) is about the same. There are a couple of companies who will charge you to ship your rifle to them and they will develop several custom loads for your review. They then will produce the ammo for you as needed. AZ ammo does this and I have used them in the past. Of course there is a wait time for the service but they give you a 20 page report on the quality of the custom build and point out any issues. They check things like lock time…etc. My point is you can get all the turnkey issues done by highly trained professionals who make a living doing this type of work. The costs and more importantly the time adds up.

There are also some who absolutely will do it all for half the cost, similar results and a reasonable time frame. They just don’t market as aggressively.

 

[BCDJR]

There are also some who absolutely will do it all for half the cost, similar results and a reasonable time frame. They just don’t market as aggressively.

I see a new GW nexus is about $6500…tell me someone who puts in same quality for $3200?

 

[SDHNTR]

There’s a major difference between not having the time to be proficient at shooting and not having the time to spend researching and compiling all the nuanced options for building a long range rifle system. Some people are more interested in results and buying a turnkey package from an established company is far more appealing than wrapping up a ton of their limited time researching and sourcing a bunch of parts from various manufacturers.

Sure with enough knowledge, time and looking you can put together a package for cheaper but there are plenty of people that would prefer to spend their time shooting something they know was set up correctly vs the hundreds of hours of research it would take to gain the knowledge to do it themselves.

I personally am a gun guy who enjoys assembling my rifles, hand loading my ammo and tinkering with both to get the results that I want. Gunwerks rifles don’t appeal to me for that reason though I do utilize some of their stuff through Revic. Some people however aren’t gun people and just want to buy something that works out of the box with all the supporting data and accruements so they can focus on what they actually want to do which is hit targets or take game.

And the point being, those people who aren’t “gun people” shouldn’t be shooting at live animals at “1000 yards out of the box.” That is a specialized skill set that absolutely should only be performed by “gun people” who are intimately familiar with all aspects of their rifle system. Not those that are only interested in the results.

 

[omicron1792]

And the point being, those people who aren’t “gun people” shouldn’t be shooting at live animals at “1000 yards out of the box.” That is a specialized skill set that absolutely should only be performed by “gun people” who are intimately familiar with all aspects of their rifle system. Not those that are only interested in the results.

Right. But these people that time equals money would rather go to the easy button (Gunwerks) than spend that time looking for these other people. Their time is worth more than the price difference.

 

[SDHNTR]

I see a new GW nexus is about $6500…tell me someone who puts in same quality for $3200?

I stand corrected. The Nexus is cheaper. I was referring to the typical $10-12k GW set up.

 

[SDHNTR]

Right. But these people that time equals money would rather go to the easy button (Gunwerks) than spend that time looking for these other people. Their time is worth more than the price difference.

I get it. Then they have no business shooting at living creatures at 1000 yards, IMO. It’s that simple. You either have the time and desire or you don’t. And if you don’t, stay in your lane.

 

[omicron1792]

I get it. Then they have no business shooting at living creatures at 1000 yards, IMO. It’s that simple. You either have the time and desire or you don’t. And if you don’t, stay in your lane.

That’s a strawman. I bet 0.1% of them shoot at animals 1000 yards. They just want fancy rifles for their 243 yard kills. Ha

 

[Steve300xcw]

but these are the types of guys that i've personally seen bet quarters of land over a card game.

That is awesome!

 

[SDHNTR]

That’s a strawman. I bet 0.1% of them shoot at animals 1000 yards. They just want fancy rifles for their 243 yard kills. Ha

Ha, you’re probably right.