Who here doesn’t shoot beyond 300yrds ?

[BLJ]

You are welcome to come out to NW Wyoming next fall and show me exactly how you plan on closing the distance or finding later a migrating mule deer.

Do we have to be successful????
I’d give a try.

 

[grfox92]

Do we have to be successful????
I’d give a try.

Got any points?

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[CMP70306]

I feel like I might have walked into something here.
Jfc?

I wish you only the best man.

I pointed out in an earlier post that there are some cases where you can’t get closer than what you get at that moment so you should prepare for it and he got his panties in a wad over it.

In my example I’ve got a 50 acre field of alfalfa 4” tall between me and the deer I want to shoot as they quickly graze across the open space on their way to the neighbors which leaves me with a couple options.

Option #1- I try to sneak several hundred yards around the outside of the field to get a sub 300 yard shot, theoretically possible but I’d have to be running to make that distance in the time they are spending in the field. Now I have to contend with exertion and adrenaline while making a 200-300 yard shot.

Option #2 - I sprint across a couple hundred yards of field trying to close the gap to under 300 yards and hope that the deer is blind, deaf and dumb enough to completely miss my fat ass in heavy hunting clothes running across an open field. Then I flop on the ground and try to make the shot while wobbling around like I’m on the SS Minnow during an unscheduled weather event on a 3 hour tour.

Option #3 - Act like the smart human being that I am and utilize the tools I am carrying to make an ethical 300 to 600 yard shot.

 

[43.6N]

Same spot as my mule deer post above.
Archery season, elk.
Crawled on my belly through 2ft of snow to get above them.
50yd shot with a 500gr arrow at last light, after 2 weeks of trying to get in close to this herd. I can’t even begin to count the number of busted stalks because of how many eyes were always watching for movement.

Getting close can happen, but this type of terrain made it EXTREMELY hard.

 

[BLJ]

Got any points?

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No points. No experience.

And I’m not knocking your program.
Just giving you a hard time.

 

[grfox92]

No points. No experience.

And I’m not knocking your program.
Just giving you a hard time.

You should start buying points out west somewhere brother.

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[BLJ]

You should start buying points out west somewhere brother.

………20 years ago.

It doesn’t even matter to me to really kill something.
I just like being out there.

I can stack deer off the porch here.

 

[Cherokeeguide]

Its clear that your clueless. The mule deer "herd" that I am hunting likely traveled 50 to 100 miles to walk past me. They dont live where I am hunting them, they are passing through. In the drainage I posted a picture of there are between 50 and 100 centuries old migration trails covering a drainage that is thousands of yards wide. Deer migrate heavily on all of them. Come on over and "narrow down" which trail a migrating deer is going to show up on buddy.

You seem to open your mouth alot with a ton of undue arrogance and condacendence. Try being humble sometime, people might like you.

Are we butt-hurt?

Its clear that your clueless.

The California Fish and Game Commission, who issued this sampling of guide's licenses to me, would undoubtedly disagree with you.

 

[Tanner]

I’m going to shoot past 300 yards so much harder this year now.

 

[flyfisher117]

I’m going to shoot past 300 yards so much harder this year now.

I triple dog dare you!

 

[grfox92]

You could also get proficient at understanding how mule deer use their habitat and, more specifically, how the herd you're hunting uses it, but then, you'd know how silly this statement is:


Do you think your mule deer that use the ground in your photo are somehow special compared to the mule deer that use the ground contained in mine?

"There is no catching up to them" when you have no idea how the herd you're hunting uses its range, perhaps.

That's not the case when you know where they came from when you saw them and have some informed opinion over where they're headed.

Butthurt? About what? Some clueless blowhard on the internet who doesnt know what hes talking about?

Get proficient with how mule deer use there habitat? Do you understand what migratory mule deer are? You want me to go into Yellowstone park to pattern deer where I cant hunt them?

Do I think the mule deer that use the ground in the photo I posted are different then your mule deer? Yes, the fact that they are migrating and dont live where I am hunting them makes the situation infinitely different than hunting resident mule deer.

There's no catching up to them when I have no idea how the "herd" I am hunting uses its range? The "herd" lives largely in YNP. Have you hunted there much?

Nice book of patches. Do you pin those on a vest when you go out hunting hoping to see some strangers to impress?

This is the second time you have arrogantly responded to one of my posts with a long condescending essay. Both times you have been dead wrong.

Once again, try being humble and not arrogant, you might just stand a chance at people wanting to hear anything you have to say.

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[JGRaider]

My whole life I’ve maybe shot 5 animas past 300yds.

I've been hunting for 54 years now, having the opportunity in my life to cull loads of aoudad and whitetails. I've killed at least 400 head of big game not including hogs. I can count on two hands the number of them that were over 350 yards. All this in W TX, SE NM, TX and OK Panhandles.

 

[OXN939]

Completely agree. I want to be proficient to 600 yards, even if my opportunities at that range are uncommon.

Agreed, but the problem is that influencer culture has glorified and normalized long range hunting so much that a lot of the new post-COVID hunters seem to think they're scrubs if they don't plan on shooting half a mile.

I was an active duty precision shooting instructor for a few years. One of the first days of our COI, we'd take guys out to zero and build their DOPE card. Then, we'd shoot a few known distance silhouettes out to 700 or so. Most of these guys were shooters and feeling pretty good at this point. Then, we'd run a HIIT style circuit workout, get the heart rate over 150 for a few minutes. Same guys would get back on the line for unknown distance targets and ten seconds per round. Same rifles, ammo, optics, same dudes... VERY different result.

My big qualm here is that the influencer types seem to have convinced thousands of hunters that it's good to go to shoot at live animals at 5, 6 or 700 yards just because they have practiced that distance one or twice from a prone position on a stationary target at known distance with a resting heart rate on a manicured shooting range. Here to tell anyone who will listen that this is false.

 

[wyosam]

Agreed, but the problem is that influencer culture has glorified and normalized long range hunting so much that a lot of the new post-COVID hunters seem to think they're scrubs if they don't plan on shooting half a mile.

I was an active duty precision shooting instructor for a few years. One of the first days of our COI, we'd take guys out to zero and build their DOPE card. Then, we'd shoot a few known distance silhouettes out to 700 or so. Most of these guys were shooters and feeling pretty good at this point. Then, we'd run a HIIT style circuit workout, get the heart rate over 150 for a few minutes. Same guys would get back on the line for unknown distance targets and ten seconds per round. Same rifles, ammo, optics, same dudes... VERY different result.

My big qualm here is that the influencer types seem to have convinced thousands of hunters that it's good to go to shoot at live animals at 5, 6 or 700 yards just because they have practiced that distance one or twice from a prone position on a stationary target at known distance with a resting heart rate on a manicured shooting range. Here to tell anyone who will listen that this is false.

I briefly bought into that nonsense a while back. It leads to looking for opportunities to shoot far, and convincing yourself it’s necessary to fill tags. I still practice further than I’d shoot at game because it’s good for skills, but it’s pretty much just an added tool should an unexpected rodeo occur.


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[NastyN8]

I look at it like this…

I work out 4-5 days a week just so I don’t die while hunting (whatever that may be). At my age I'm not old, but ain’t young. So I do it just in case I need to go deep, pack something out, don’t have a heart attack, etc. But rarely do I even challenge myself where I live and primarily hunt. Just a ready to go when the opportunity is there kinda guy.

Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance = the 6 P’s

Same with shooting. Be proficient at any possible range you are comfortable and confident to shoot. I practice to 1200 yards so I CAN shoot to 600. Wind is a bugger, won’t shoot 600 unless it feels good and shot is there….FOR ME.

If you can’t take the shot, DON’T. Most who don’t shoot beyond 300 yards, don’t practice past 100 and should NOT shoot 300 until they put in the work and properly prepare for that moment.

It’s a skill that needs to be honed,not wished upon. My old man hunted the thick big woods of NE Minnesota for so long and never practiced his “long range” 300 yards skills that when he came out “WEST” to western SD, that he udderly embarrassed himself when he missed by FEET, but somehow in his delusional mind thought his 3” inch high at 100yd zero allowed to just hold hair at whatever his comfortable shooting distance was. Never shot past 300 in his life. Average age of the “Never shot 300 yards club” is 65-70 years old, only shoot 30-06, and shoot 17 rounds a year at 50 yards and 3 rounds at a paper plate at 100yds. FACT. Practice more gents…

Do what you want. I practice. I get as close as I can. I practice a lot. I get closer. More practice at ranges I never intend to hunt, so the 600 yard and in shots are EASY (wind allowing). If you haven’t practiced enough, you don’t deserve the shot….

 

[MuleyFever]

I live and hunt in the western states and have only shot over 300 yards twice.

 

[NastyN8]

BTW, I’ve only killed 4 animals over 350. I still like to get as close as possible. That also takes practice. Most “hunters” suck at that too.

 

[OXN939]

I still practice further than I’d shoot at game because it’s good for skills, but it’s pretty much just an added tool should an unexpected rodeo occur.

All day long. Just wish it were easy to see how often all these insta hunters who have no distance shooting background miss when trying to look cool taking a 500 yard shot to brag about in the caption of their post. I'd bet the farm there are thousands of animals wounded and unrecovered out west every year because of this trend.

 

[JGRaider]

All day long. Just wish it were easy to see how often all these insta hunters who have no distance shooting background miss when trying to look cool taking a 500 yard shot to brag about in the caption of their post. I'd bet the farm there are thousands of animals wounded and unrecovered out west every year because of this trend.

You can practice 'til the cows come home, but if you're shooting in any inconsistent wind situation, first round cold bore hits are "iffy" at best. I've watched Hodnett's bunch shoot many, many times and they don't make first round hits every time either. Nobody does, especially internet heroes.

 

[hibernation]

You can practice 'til the cows come home, but if you're shooting in any inconsistent wind situation, first round cold bore hits are "iffy" at best. I've watched Hodnett's bunch shoot many, many times and they don't make first round hits every time either. Nobody does, especially internet heroes.

The cold bore challenge is a great data set for this. First round hits are iffy past 400 yards from field positions for most shooters. And I'd wager that anyone who posts in that thread shoots way more than the average hunter.