Who has the new Gold Tip Kinetic Pierce?

[Tony Trietch]

Interested in these. Let me know thoughts if you have shot or tested them...

 

[5MilesBack]

I've never even heard of them. Just went to their website to see what you were talking about, and I couldn't find them anywhere on their site.

 

[Nick Muche]

New Gold Tip Kinetic Pierce and Nine.3 Arrows

Pierce

• An addition to the Kinetic lineup, featuring a smaller diameter and lighter weight than the Kaos and Kinetic
• Designed as a hunting and outdoor target arrow, performs well at long distances and in the wind
• Built with the same great quality, accuracy and durability you have come to expect from Gold Tip
• 100% carbon construction for ultimate straightness retention
• Micro-diameter for ultimate accuracy and penetration
• Patent pending component system that maximizes concentricity and durability
• Utilizes a unique half-out insert that accepts a standard 5/16" diameter point with 8/32 threads
• Full line of target components available for competitive applications
• Straightness Tolerance: +/- .0025"
• Weight Tolerance: +/- .5 grains
• Includes GTO nock and nock collar for back end durability
• Includes half-out insert and ballistic collar
• 500 (6.6 GPI / .222" O.D.), 400 (7.6 GPI / .229" O.D.), 340 (8.3 GPI / .234" O.D.), 300 (9.1 GPI / .240" O.D.), 250 (9.8 GPI / .245" O.D.)







Nine.3

• Maximum World Archery/FITA allowable 9.3mm (23/64) diameter
• Extreme durability to handle stramit targets
• Industry leading straightness, weight and spine tolerances for exceptional accuracy
• Full line of target components available to meet the specific need of any archer
• Straightness Tolerance: +/- .001"
• Weight Tolerance: +/- .5 grains
• 250 (8.3 GPI / .365" O.D.)

 

[Trial153]

Would make a nice arrow if you replace the crap half out with a HIT and VPA collar or even a BEA SS half out and then the b ballistic collar over the ss half out.

With just the aluminum GT half outs....I wouldn't touch them

 

[5MilesBack]

With just the aluminum GT half outs....I wouldn't touch them

I wouldn't touch them with any outsert or half-out.

Why on earth are these not showing up on GT's website??

 

[Tony Trietch]

I've never even heard of them. Just went to their website to see what you were talking about, and I couldn't find them anywhere on their site.

I think they are redoing the entire web site.

 

[OR Archer]

We received some of these about a month ago to test. I was not impressed with them. Most of them didn't spin true. They had a really noticeable wobble. They shot OK but that was with just a field tip. I like the concept of them but the QC on these needs to be better. Perhaps they've ironed that out since then. If so they'd be a good shaft but I'd opt for a D6 HIT insert over the half outs and ballistic collars.

 

[jmez]

Did you spin any without the half outs in them?

 

[OR Archer]

Spun them straight out of the wrapper.

 

[jmez]

Ouch.

 

[littlebrotherC]

That's a bummer. I was looking forward to trying these out this year. I want to ask a question to those interested in this thread, but it kind of high jacks the conversation. Did you see that the deep six fmj is offered in a 280 spine this year? I could be wrong but I don't think this was offered last year. Anyone have any experience with these? Has anyone used them with the Firenock outsert? Thoughts?

 

[MattB]

I have used the Firenock outserts with Injexions with mixed results. Conceptually, I think I like them better than the deep 6 insert, but they are not very uniform. Firenock will tell you its is due to shaft tolerances, but I can tell you I could grab one shaft and try the whole dozen Firenocks and the fit was generally different from outsert to outsert (e.g not the shafts but rather the outserts).

 

[Blockcaver]

Not Gold Tips, but 8 of 36 Easton Carbon Injexion shafts (330s) that I bought about two years ago did not meet the straightness spec (plus or minus 0.003") as measured by my dial indicator with rollers on 12" centers (aluminum arrow straightener). Easton begrudgingly replaced those shafts, so maybe that the micro diameter carbons are a bit dificult to manufacture to tolerance? They do shoot well for me and are fairly heavy arrows (475 grain or so) with firenock outserts, as I am not a Deep-6 fan due to the small broadhead shank cross section.

I am curious about the new gold tip shafts and outsert combo. I hope they are as good or better than the old GT Hunters which were good tough shafts in my opinion.

 

[jmez]

This is the first year for the 280 spine.

I used the Firenock outserts with FMJ injexions. I was warned of the fit issue MattB is talking about by a couple of guys so I bought one size bigger than was recommended in the Firenock chart. I'm glad I did, even these were a tight fit. I didn't want to have to try to sand off aluminum to get them to fit. I put mine on with Bohning cool melt, I was experimenting with different systems and I didn't want them epoxied on ruining arrows. This actually worked pretty well. I put them on and then spun the arrow. None spun true right off the bat. I then just heated the FP and turned the outsert and re spun until they were true. It took a couple of times but all spun true.

For my build I needed to have about 60grns at the front of the arrow. The Firenock outserts are only 30grn so I used 8/32 set screws in the shaft for weight. This was a major PITA. A mess to get in, tedious, and they rattled loose in the shaft. My other choice was to cut the arrows longer to get the weight I wanted. Catch 22 either way, I was walking the edge in spine with the 330 so I wanted them as short as possible and try to maintain a higher FOC.

Regardless of what they say, these will bend. They are more durable than regular outserts but they do bend if you hit something hard or miss a target. If you epoxy them on then you have an entire arrow ruined. At least with the cool melt I could take the bent ones off and save the shaft.

They don't pull out of bag targets well. They catch and require a hard jerk every time to get them out. If the target is a little wet on the inside you may have to cut some of them out. The tops of the outsert will start to roll and chip away with repeated pulling out of a bag target. Not as bad as the GT collars but bags are hard on them.

As far as durability they are better than any of the aluminum outserts, I tried them all. For all of the hassle that goes along with them they weren't worth the trouble for me. I also shoot bag targets every day so they didn't work for me. I took them off and sold the 6 I didn't use.

I shot the FMJ injexions for a year and a half. I'm done with any sort of outsert system. If I were going to shoot them I would use the HIT inserts.

 

[Tony Trietch]

We received some of these about a month ago to test. I was not impressed with them. Most of them didn't spin true. They had a really noticeable wobble. They shot OK but that was with just a field tip. I like the concept of them but the QC on these needs to be better. Perhaps they've ironed that out since then. If so they'd be a good shaft but I'd opt for a D6 HIT insert over the half outs and ballistic collars.

Were they the Platinum or standard that wobbled?

 

[5MilesBack]

I hope they are as good or better than the old GT Hunters which were good tough shafts in my opinion.

I don't know how GT builds their carbon arrows. But this year I shot under a bull I thought was closer with a Kinetic 200 (which should be about as tough an arrow as there is) and the arrow hit a rock under the surface (probably close to 65 yards in overall distance). When I picked up that arrow and held it tip up, it looked like an old umbrella frame as all the carbon pieces fell downward from the tip down to the nock end. They were still all together just in front of the fletching, but like a large flowering umbrella. I've never seen anything like that with any other arrow.

I've broken plenty of arrows on hard hits, sometimes into 3 or 4 pieces, but never completely splintered like that lengthwise.....even with robin-hoods. Seems like the carbon should somehow be intertwined together for lengthwise strength as well as cross-sectional strength. I'm already down 4 arrows due to breakage and I've only been shooting them since March.

With the smaller diameter of these new shafts, I sure hope they do something different to keep the carbon together.

 

[OR Archer]

Were they the Platinum or standard that wobbled?

Platinums.

This could of just been a bad batch. It's a new shaft for them. I'm sure they have some bugs to work out. GT makes great arrows. They'll iron things out.