White House rescinds public land use rule

[Gila]

so, permits and environmental regulation did not exist before this rule?

If there was any environmental regulation before the rule, that regulation no longer exists now does it?

 

[Gila]

I'm not sure of the finer details of the rule, but the biggest thing for me was the creation of conservation and restoration leases. There could have been some downsides to it relating to energy companies putting up acres and acres of wind turbines or solar panels, but I'm not aware of any of that..

Before the rule there was an instance where a solar farm was placed on critical habitat. Don’t recall where or when. Will have to try and find it.

 

[Warmsy]

This an important aspect of the rule that the Administration wants to eliminate:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2024-10/Areas-of-Critical-Environmental-Concern-Manual-Webinar-slides-2024_0.pdf

Basically the rule is about keeping the waterways and critical habitat in tact. Without this rule extraction can take place anywhere without any regard to wildlife including fish. To this Administration, any environmental or wildlife concern is a barrier to drilling and mining.

I see. Thanks.

 

[Gila]

I'm not sure of the finer details of the rule, but the biggest thing for me was the creation of conservation and restoration leases. There could have been some downsides to it relating to energy companies putting up acres and acres of wind turbines or solar panels, but I'm not aware of any of that..

Did a little research about lawsuits against green energy before the rule. The lawsuits against the Gov’t placing wind turbines and solar panels on federal lands are too numerous to mention. The 45 and 46 Admins had solar farm and wind turbines issues on public lands. Conservation groups sued for kangaroo rat and desert tortoise critical habitat. Also the endangered golden buckwheat was covered up with a solar farm. Quite a few lawsuits for erosion and waterway destruction primarily out East. Wind farms have been placed too close to waterfowl production and Wildlife management areas. I have seen this first hand. The waterfowl, deer and elk just concentrate in another area which has caused disease. Where green energy shines is community solar in urban areas which has a low panel footprint. More villages are also putting up a wind turbine or two.

They can remove solar panels and take the wind turbines down. But once the digging starts, the habitat is gone forever! This rule is critically important to manage wildlife on public lands, especially protected species. If we don’t protect these eco-systems within critical habitats we won’t be hunting and fishing!

 

[HighUintas]

Did a little research about lawsuits against green energy before the rule. The lawsuits against the Gov’t placing wind turbines and solar panels on federal lands are too numerous to mention. The 45 and 46 Admins had solar farm and wind turbines issues on public lands. Conservation groups sued for kangaroo rat and desert tortoise critical habitat. Also the endangered golden buckwheat was covered up with a solar farm. Quite a few lawsuits for erosion and waterway destruction primarily out East. Wind farms have been placed too close to waterfowl production and Wildlife management areas. I have seen this first hand. The waterfowl, deer and elk just concentrate in another area which has caused disease. Where green energy shines is community solar in urban areas which has a low panel footprint. More villages are also putting up a wind turbine or two.

They can remove solar panels and take the wind turbines down. But once the digging starts, the habitat is gone forever! This rule is critically important to manage wildlife on public lands, especially protected species. If we don’t protect these eco-systems within critical habitats we won’t be hunting and fishing!

Thanks for that. The only one I'm aware of, which I'm not sure if it's going to happen, is a huge wind or solar farm in central Idaho right in the middle of some mule deer critical habitat.

 

[Poser]

Reverse TDS

It not even reverse TDS. Its just that the definition of actual TDS is not what the users of such a term think that it is.

TDS refers to the intense emotional reactions some people exhibit when even minor criticisms are directed at the political figure they strongly support (the 'God-king' in this context). It's seen as ironic when those who react this way then accuse others of overreacting to the criticisms themselves:
"Keep your criticisms to yourself, or I'll have my own for you."

 

[timbernomad]

Once again wild life management, hunting and fishing takes a back seat to extraction!

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...2024-fall/2024-public-lands-rule-back-future/

Extraction is a valid and important use of public lands. Why should it take a backseat to the other values you've mentioned?

 

[Gila]

Extraction is a valid and important use of public lands. Why should it take a backseat to the other values you've mentioned?

Extraction and grazing has traditionally had the priority on BLM lands over wildlife management, hunting, fishing. This rule maintains a balance between all of the consumptive, non-consumptive users and included Tribal efforts. Grazing is very important too. As everyone knows, many family cattle or sheep ranches can’t exist without public land leases.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Extraction and grazing has traditionally had the priority on BLM lands over wildlife management, hunting, fishing. This rule maintains a balance between all of the consumptive, non-consumptive users and included Tribal efforts. Grazing is very important too. As everyone knows, many family cattle or sheep ranches can’t exist without public land leases.

Many multi use/federal cattle lease can’t exist with out the private that led to the lease to begin with, since we are talking about water what not……

Just because one version is cancelled doesn’t me the next that replaces it won’t be better…. Might just watch it play out first

 

[Gila]

Many multi use/federal cattle lease can’t exist with out the private that led to the lease to begin with, since we are talking about water what not……

Just because one version is cancelled doesn’t me the next that replaces it won’t be better…. Might just watch it play out first

It will have to “play out” in the courts since we no longer have a viable Congress.

 

[cuerro viejo]

It will have to “play out” in the courts since we no longer have a viable Congress.

You mean a viable…. that you approve of.

 

[ezwy]

You guys have heard of NEPA right? People aren’t just firing up drills and rolling on to public land with this rule gone. There’s still a process and plenty of hoops to jump through. I will say wind and solar has moved much faster in areas than I feel it should have. And it’s not going to hurt to keep our eyes on these kind of issues and/or talk to local lawmakers and let them know what matters.

 

[HighUintas]

You guys have heard of NEPA right? People aren’t just firing up drills and rolling on to public land with this rule gone. There’s still a process and plenty of hoops to jump through. I will say wind and solar has moved much faster in areas than I feel it should have. And it’s not going to hurt to keep our eyes on these kind of issues and/or talk to local lawmakers and let them know what matters.

Maybe not for long.

 

[mostlybirch]

You guys have heard of NEPA right? People aren’t just firing up drills and rolling on to public land with this rule gone. There’s still a process and plenty of hoops to jump through. I will say wind and solar has moved much faster in areas than I feel it should have. And it’s not going to hurt to keep our eyes on these kind of issues and/or talk to local lawmakers and let them know what matters.

Speaking as someone who fires up the drills, BLM has never been difficult to permit to exploratory drill for minerals, usually about 30 days and I can disturb (and reclaim) 5 acres very easily. What will be a game changer is opening up mineral exploration and drilling in the National Forest, which has always been challenging. I hope this doesn't happen, as I personally care about public lands more than I do about finding more gold.

 

[OSU]

It will have to “play out” in the courts since we no longer have a viable Congress.

Congress especially the house hasn't done much in a decade or more. The average house member might get a stop sign put in or taken out or name a park bench during their two years of "work". They mostly just hide under a rock so they don't offend anyone and can keep on getting reelected..

 

[MuleyFever]

You mean a viable…. that you approve of.

I guess he is in the 70% that have a negative view of Congress.

 

[Gila]

You guys have heard of NEPA right? People aren’t just firing up drills and rolling on to public land with this rule gone. There’s still a process and plenty of hoops to jump through. I will say wind and solar has moved much faster in areas than I feel it should have. And it’s not going to hurt to keep our eyes on these kind of issues and/or talk to local lawmakers and let them know what matters.

NEPA has been disemboweled as of April 11 (last week). That was accomplished by dismantling CEQ and making the President the sole authority to implement regulations.

 

[CJ19]

NEPA has been disemboweled as of April 11 (last week). That was accomplished by dismantling CEQ and making the President the sole authority to implement regulations.

NEPA had an absurd abuse rate. Most objective land managers and scientists can attest to the fact it was abused by so called conservation and environmental groups in far more instances than where it was reasonably applied. People are sick and tired of NGOs abusing regulations to serve special interests and make no mistake, the Conservation Industry/Lobby is one of the biggest offenders. The result is what you are seeing - Whole sale rejection of the joke that conservation and environmental NGOs have become. Its unfortunate because the public and esp public land sportsmen and women suffer because we do need reasonable environmental and land use protections.

Still plenty of environmental regs out there to protect resources but this reset was badly needed. like I said above, Conservation NGOs and so call Public Land Conservation Groups lost the plot a long long time ago. Few organizations have been more wasteful or damaging to public land hunters than these so call Conservation and Environmental Groups that claim to help them. Examples of this are easy to find. For one thing, many of these group fully supporting 20 million acres of industrialized renewable energy development on public land. A stance which is 100% an astroturfing campaign that was coordinated with the liberal side of the isle and especially the last administration. Another easy example is that most of these groups have prioritized woke DEI politics over actual conservation work (26 million acres of public land off the table in AK thanks to "Conservation" groups embrace of this).

Simply look at any state that has fully embraced what the "conservations" groups aspire to be...CA, WA, OR, CO. Every one of these places trying to making public land hunting and reasonable wildlife management near impossible or obsolete.

 

[Mike Islander]

So, does the ease of extraction income increase the likelihood of those lands not being sold off to the private sector?

 

[CJ19]

So, does the ease of extraction income increase the likelihood of those lands not being sold off to the private sector?

no, the opposite. that is why the very people complaining this rule is being done away with are the first ones to say we cant sell public land because of the OG and minerals.