White Cloud Outfitters

[Mike 338]

Don't know anything about the case or these people involved. I can tell you that reading the Regs, does anyone understand just where boundaries are?

 

[Johnnybobcat]

Trial for men accused of outfitter violations pushed to August

The trial for two Challis men accused of multiple violations connected to guided big game hunts has again been rescheduled.

www.idahopress.com

I sure had no idea you could extend trials this many times. Especially for a federal indictment

 

[westernarcher]

Sounds like they know their boundaries because they ask permission, are denied permission and do the hunt anyways. Then omit reporting that activity to the forest service.

 

[sneaky]

It can definitely be challenging, I’ve saw one controlled hunt boundary description that about gave me a stroke when I tried comparing it’s description to a map. An outfitter should know his boundaries inside and out though. That being said, I also dont know entirely what these twos situation entailed.

They were hunting in an area that is completely off limits to outfitters. They knew it, and went anyway. This isn't a case of not knowing rules or regulations. They knew they weren't supposed to be there and went anyways. They also think they own all of the elk in their outfitting area. Real pieces of work.

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[Johnnybobcat]

They were hunting in an area that is completely off limits to outfitters. They knew it, and went anyway. This isn't a case of not knowing rules or regulations. They knew they weren't supposed to be there and went anyways. They also think they own all of the elk in their outfitting area. Real pieces of work.

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Yeah that’s what I’ve gathered from the articles. I left my blurb on the end just cuz I keep reading a few locals post about how there’s more to the story, these are stand up guys etc etc. I have also had some positive experiences chatting with Farr while I’m out hunting, and he helped me with a flat tire once in the summer. I’ve been anxious to see the hearing. Even With all the extra local stuff and my own experience tho, its hard to overlook the evidence. definitely seems pretty cut and dry. They knowingly broke the law and on more than one occasion.

 

[mike.adams.467]

Yeah that’s what I’ve gathered from the articles. I left my blurb on the end just cuz I keep reading a few locals post about how there’s more to the story, these are stand up guys etc etc. I have also had some positive experiences chatting with Farr while I’m out hunting, and he helped me with a flat tire once in the summer. I’ve been anxious to see the hearing. Even With all the extra local stuff and my own experience tho, its hard to overlook the evidence. definitely seems pretty cut and dry. They knowingly broke the law and on more than one occasion.

I'm going with "innocent until proven guilty" on this one.

 

[Idaboy]

It's not complicated, it's mostly drainage based....take your map into FG and they can show you....no excuses

 

[westernarcher]

Jerrod Farr pleads guilty to 1 charge, 4 charges dismissed

Four charges related to alleged violations of big game guiding and hunting regulations against a Challis man are to be dismissed after he agreed to plead guilty to one offense.

www.idahopress.com

 

[IdahoAngler85]

Jerrod Farr pleads guilty to 1 charge, 4 charges dismissed

Four charges related to alleged violations of big game guiding and hunting regulations against a Challis man are to be dismissed after he agreed to plead guilty to one offense.

www.idahopress.com

Seems like a slap on the wrist. He can pay his $15k fine with a few more sheep hunts.

 

[westernarcher]

Rumor has it from a local source that he has sold the outfitter biz and other interests he's been involved in. Yes a gentle slap with big ramifications.

 

[IdahoAngler85]

Local source, you live in Challis?

 

[westernarcher]

Nope. But was just up that way scouting

 

[P Carter]

Rumor has it from a local source that he has sold the outfitter biz and other interests he's been involved in. Yes a gentle slap with big ramifications.

You can see this set up in the article—the plea deal allows sale of business subject to certain conditions, no reason to include that if a sale isn’t at least contemplated. (I’ve done settlements with this language and it’s always resulted in a sale.)

 

[MNGrouser]

Seems like a slap on the wrist. He can pay his $15k fine with a few more sheep hunts.

I agree it isn't enough punishment but the $15k is just restitution for the animals. According to the article the prosecutors may continue to ask for a fine of "up to $45,000". I don't know what he'll get but I would hope $60k would be a financial disincentive to violate.

 

[Idaboy]

2 years, whatta joke...why are they banned for life...so soft

 

[sneaky]

You can see this set up in the article—the plea deal allows sale of business subject to certain conditions, no reason to include that if a sale isn’t at least contemplated. (I’ve done settlements with this language and it’s always resulted in a sale.)

Good. Then he can stop acting like he owns every damn elk in "his" area. I especially like the language where he can't sell it to anyone in his family, and will not have any financial interest in it after the sale. Good riddance.

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[Brushcreekbill]

Any word on if the other feller, Mike Scott, is still going to trial?

 

[westernarcher]

Aug 4th