Which arrow would you shoot?

[Jtelarkin08]

Bow will be a hoyt carbon Spider turbo 80# 28"

I will be shooting Samurai broadheads. I want to shoot 50-75 grain inserts up front and 125-175 grain broadheads. I want to go as heavy as I can go

The two arrows I am considering are

Gold tip kinetic .200 spine

Or

Easton FMJ 300


I am not sure I can go heavy up front with the 300 spine fmj but I have never shot the kinetics.

These arrows will be for a moose and bison hunt

 

[Archelk]

I use the GT Kinetics XT's in a 300 spine with shaft length of 28.5 but draw weight is 70lb. I am using a Bowtech Insanity CPXL. I am also going on a bison hunt next winter. I am shooting a Helix 125gr. single bevel broad head. The accu-tough inserts that come with the kinetcs are 24.8 gr. I added 60 grains with the screw in inserts inside the shaft. I am still experimenting with how much because I want as much KE and FOC as possible with the arrow. I believe right now that my total arrow weight is somewhere in the 540 gr range. I can't find my notes right now. My FOC is somewhere in the 16-17% range. I am getting good accuracy out to 70 yards but I will not be taking a shot on the buffalo beyond 50 yards. Been reading a lot on Dr. Ashby's articles. The helix broadheads are impressive. Made a life size buffalo target and it has been great to shoot out instead of a broadhead target.

 

[Highcountry_Hellrazor]

I think the heaviest arrow is the Easton FMJ dangerous game.

 

[5MilesBack]

I would choose the Kinetics over the FMJ's.......more durable arrow from my experience. The FMJ 300's all bent to some degree on the first 8-10" closest to the point just from thumping targets for a few weeks. I would think that a very heavy front would make that worse. The Kinetic 200's are decent arrows. If you want as heavy as you can go.......I'd look at putting a shaft inside a shaft for maximum weight. Not sure what fits a .204 inside diameter.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

I think the heaviest arrow is the Easton FMJ dangerous game.

I don't like the dangerous game arrows. They are to shaft heavy and I can't get the foc high enough.

 

[Archelk]

I was looking at Alaska Bowhunting Supply's Grizzly Stik Momentum arrows but I just can't bring myself to paying $140 + for 6 arrows. if money is no object you may look at those. Plus it is a heavy arrow. The arrow is actually tapered which they claim helps in penetration i.e. no friction from the shaft behind the broad head when it enters the animal.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

I was looking at Alaska Bowhunting Supply's Grizzly Stik Momentum arrows but I just can't bring myself to paying $140 + for 6 arrows. if money is no object you may look at those. Plus it is a heavy arrow. The arrow is actually tapered which they claim helps in penetration i.e. no friction from the shaft behind the broad head when it enters the animal.

Ya I have two of their test arrows and I do like them but won't shoot them for 2 reasons.

1. They are not easily available in Texas
2. The price is crazy!!!
3. They aren't that heavy. The two test arrows I ordered weighed like 620 grains with a 175grain tips.

I can get within 20-30 grains of the ones they sent me with the GT kinetics. Or the FMJs

 

[5MilesBack]

I can get within 20-30 grains of the ones they sent me with the GT kinetics. Or the FMJs

Ya, I think the Kinetic 200 I set up for heavy was about 662gr with a 75gr brass HIT insert and 210gr original Silverflame. It's a thumper alright.......especially at 32 1/2" draw.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

Ya, I think the Kinetic 200 I set up for heavy was about 662gr with a 75gr brass HIT insert and 210gr original Silverflame. It's a thumper alright.......especially at 32 1/2" draw.

Do the hit inserts fit good in the kinetics?

 

[5MilesBack]

Do the hit inserts fit good in the kinetics?

Yep, same .204 inside diameter as the Axis or FMJ's. Not a fan of outserts.

 

[Archelk]

Jtelark just curious where you are going bison hunting? Wife bought me a hunt for my 40th B-day in New Mexico for next winter

 

[voidecho]

I recently started using Kenetics in .300 spine with a 125 grain Helix Single Bevel. Right at 480 grains. I have absolutely no complaints, other than they penetrate too much on some targets and it's hard as hell to pull some arrows out.

 

[Rick Leathley]

Check out victory VAP's. I shoot a 92 g insert with. 100 grain broadhead. Cut at 28.5 and they weigh 500 grains

 

[Jtelarkin08]

Jtelark just curious where you are going bison hunting? Wife bought me a hunt for my 40th B-day in New Mexico for next winter

I'm going to sikanni river in British Colombia

 

[Brandon Pattison]

Id go w xt 200

 

[Archelk]

Best of luck.. Had a friend of mine go up there in those neck of the woods but on a rifle hunt. Shot a bruiser of a bull. Has a beautiful head mount.

 

[littlebuf]

love my FMJ 300's. full pass through at 67 yards this year on my bull and you can still shoot the arrow . never shot the other ones but so i cant compare, but i know the FMJ's work

 

[OR Archer]

If I were in your shoes though Id opt for a 125-150 COC head. 75gr brass insert in a .300 FMJ cut to 28.5". It would give you a good FOC and put you well over 500grs plus keep your speed up for some really good KE and Momentum. It'd be more than enough for penetration on a big bison.

I would definitely recommend that if you can buy a dozen of each shaft and do some experimenting. Make up 3 arrows at a time and experiment with some different cut lengths and tip weights till you find a combination that you are confident with then build a dozen from there.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

If I were in your shoes though Id opt for a 125-150 COC head. 75gr brass insert in a .300 FMJ cut to 28.5". It would give you a good FOC and put you well over 500grs plus keep your speed up for some really good KE and Momentum. It'd be more than enough for penetration on a big bison.

I would definitely recommend that if you can buy a dozen of each shaft and do some experimenting. Make up 3 arrows at a time and experiment with some different cut lengths and tip weights till you find a combination that you are confident with then build a dozen from there.

I am worried with the 225 grains up front and 80 pounds the 300s will be to weak.

 

[Rick Leathley]

I am worried with the 225 grains up front and 80 pounds the 300s will be to weak.

I starting out shooting FMJ's. But I couldn't get them to spine out for me with 192g up front and the DG FMJ are just plain heavy. I Am pretty happy with the VAP's in a 250 spine.

I am thinking about switching it up and running a areovane outsert that is 33 grains and running a 150g VPA. I think VPA makes screw in braodheads all the way up to 200g