What mono to use

[35WhelenAI]

That is awesome! Congrats on caring for raptors. Waiting for the "it's not poison for them to eat lead" crowd to show up.

Barnes 200 TTSX, 35 Whelen AI. One and done from broadside to hard quartering angle, longest distance 340 yds on elk, muley's, whitetails. Also one and done with 110 TTSX .270 Win, 130 TTSX 30-06, 150 XBT .280, 180 XBT 300 Win Mag Rem for elk, muley's, whitetails, hogs, pronghorn.

I have some 200 gr Hammers for the Whelen, haven't shot them yet but have them loaded to do a series. To me the Hammer is a mono Partiton as it sheds petals and pushes the shank through, just like was said above in post #19.

Haven't used any other brand mono's on game, but the Hammers are a curiosity to see what they do accuracy wise and if they will give a bit more speed, although I don't need more. The Whelen can push the 200 TTSX to 3030 fps with Power Pro Varmint, and my hunting load is 2940 fps with IMR4064 from a 25" bbl.

Shoot the ones your rifle likes best and YOU feel good with what the result looks like (internally to the animal or otherwise). It will be a dead animal and great falcon feed!

 

[AkRyan]

Just shoot light monos to keep you muzzle velocity up. In the 7 I would look at 140ish and not a grain more.

 

[Mojave]

If you hand load, RWS has a non-lead no-toxicity bullet that acts the same as the Hornady Ballistic tip bullet.

RWS Evolution Green | RWS Ammunition

Excellent stopping power, especially at longer ranges: RWS EVOLUTION GREEN is a lead-free part fragmentation bullet. Lean more here!

rws-ammunition.com

 

[z987k]

If you hand load, RWS has a non-lead no-toxicity bullet that acts the same as the Hornady Ballistic tip bullet.

RWS Evolution Green | RWS Ammunition

Excellent stopping power, especially at longer ranges: RWS EVOLUTION GREEN is a lead-free part fragmentation bullet. Lean more here!

rws-ammunition.com

Where do you buy those in the states?

I know norma loads them but they don't send that loaded ammo here that I've seen.

They look like they act more like a federal terminal ascent.

 

[bpro2001]

Just shoot light monos to keep you muzzle velocity up. In the 7 I would look at 140ish and not a grain more.

What velocity? I run 175eldx at 2950 your talking probably 3200-3400

 

[35WhelenAI]

139/145 LRX would get the velocity and decent BC, IMO.

 

[Mojave]

Where do you buy those in the states?

I know norma loads them but they don't send that loaded ammo here that I've seen.

They look like they act more like a federal terminal ascent.

I don't know who sells RWS bullets in America.

 

[bpro2001]

I don't know who sells RWS bullets in America.

No one that I can find

 

[z987k]

I don't know who sells RWS bullets in America.

It's no one that I've ever seen. If they did, I'd buy some and try them out.

 

[wind gypsy]

I've had good success with hammers (my current go to), but honestly most work well. For my 7 PRC on the way, I am looking at the 168 McGuire bullets (G1 of .750 ??). It is has a listed G7 0.1 > than the hammer of the same weight.

That has me tempted to buy some and test out.

And both listed BCs are likely inflated.

 

[S.Clancy]

My experience is Barnes TTSX and Hammer Hunters, both in 270 Win.. 130 gr TTSX, 126 gr Hammer hunter.

Barnes I got significantly lower velocities before pressure, like 300 fps lower. Real accurate, no kills over 400 yds, but they killed multiple elk, deer, whatever. The wound channels are pretty narrow.

Hammer Hunters I could push velocity to 3240 without pressure (57 gr IMR 4451). Kills to 650 yds on elk, deer, whatever. Way better wound channels and blood trails than Barnes, several DRT, longest shot was a DRT ~315-320" bull @ 650. Still not ELDx wounds, but a good compromise of wound channels and jack of meat loss.

 

[JakeSCH]

And both listed BCs are likely inflated.

I completely agree, but makes me want to test it out,

 

[Bwalker]

No mono I have used blows up like a Berger

 

[grizz19]

Another hammer vote here. My dad and I have killed quite a few critters with hammers using everything from 257 Roberts to a 7prc. They have worked fantastic and we are super happy with them.

 

[Bluefish]

I have some 200 gr Hammers for the Whelen, haven't shot them yet but have them loaded to do a series. To me the Hammer is a mono Partiton as it sheds petals and pushes the shank through, just like was said above in post #19.

Haven't used any other brand mono's on game, but the Hammers are a curiosity to see what they do accuracy wise and if they will give a bit more speed, although I don't need more. The Whelen can push the 200 TTSX to 3030 fps with Power Pro Varmint, and my hunting load is 2940 fps with IMR4064 from a 25"

I have used the 203g stone hammer and the 200g power hammer. Both shoot well, but I found BC was less than they estimated. The 203 was a lot worse, .1 lower. I expect that is due to the large hollow point. Just wrecks the BC.

I am going to try the 197 tipped to see if it’s as good as they say. Even if it’s a little inflated it should be better than the 200g ttsx.

 

[Bwalker]

I have used the 203g stone hammer and the 200g power hammer. Both shoot well, but I found BC was less than they estimated. The 203 was a lot worse, .1 lower. I expect that is due to the large hollow point. Just wrecks the BC.

I am going to try the 197 tipped to see if it’s as good as they say. Even if it’s a little inflated it should be better than the 200g ttsx.

BC's are often off of advertised figures with many bullets. It's just how it is.

 

[Bluefish]

BC's are often off of advertised figures with many bullets. It's just how it is.

The 203 hammer was the bullet that started my journey down the rabbit hole of checking BC. I looked at my speed data out to 100 yards from lab radar. Could not believe how much it slowed down. Almost 400 fps. I thought there was no way that was right. Turns out it is. If you want to stay above 2000 or 2200 for good performance the range can be pretty low.
I then tested all the bullets I had and the Barnes 200 ttsx and Hornady 200 FTX were as good or better than the published number. Based on the data I could also see why there is a push to big caliber straight wall cartridges for former slug hunting areas. The low BC really does limit the distance that a bullet will work well. It’s also hard to make a large caliber bullet light (200g or less) and have a decent BC. You can do it if you make it heavy, but then recoil goes way up.
My latest rabbit hole is lighter and faster. Going to try a 160g and see how that compares. Hopefully will have some results after tomorrow.

 

[Bwalker]

The 203 hammer was the bullet that started my journey down the rabbit hole of checking BC. I looked at my speed data out to 100 yards from lab radar. Could not believe how much it slowed down. Almost 400 fps. I thought there was no way that was right. Turns out it is. If you want to stay above 2000 or 2200 for good performance the range can be pretty low.
I then tested all the bullets I had and the Barnes 200 ttsx and Hornady 200 FTX were as good or better than the published number. Based on the data I could also see why there is a push to big caliber straight wall cartridges for former slug hunting areas. The low BC really does limit the distance that a bullet will work well. It’s also hard to make a large caliber bullet light (200g or less) and have a decent BC. You can do it if you make it heavy, but then recoil goes way up.
My latest rabbit hole is lighter and faster. Going to try a 160g and see how that compares. Hopefully will have some results after tomorrow.

That may be true in your gun.
Keep in mind that the individual barrel, velocity and other parameters effect BC.
More often that not when you actually shoot them your results will be different than advertised.

 

[Bluefish]

That may be true in your gun.
Keep in mind that the individual barrel, velocity and other parameters effect BC.
More often that not when you actually shoot them your results will be different than advertised.

All true, but when the mfg prints a .358 bc and my data suggests .24-.25 is the real number, that’s not a little difference. Especially when I check other manufacturers published numbers and they are close enough that I don’t worry. I am not talking about truing up a .01 difference.

Btw the bullet worked fine, took 2 deer with it, but not buying more.