What is YOUR Small Caliber on Big Game Experience?

Please check the response that most accurately summarizes your experience or opinion (6mm and below)

  • I have not used a small caliber rifle on big game, but I am open to it

    Votes: 135 28.4%
  • I have not used a small caliber rifle on big game and I am opposed to it

    Votes: 23 4.8%
  • I have used a small caliber rifle on big game and I am in favor of it, I will continue to do so

    Votes: 300 63.2%
  • I have used a small caliber rifle on big game and I am opposed to it, I will not do it again

    Votes: 17 3.6%

  • Total voters
    475
Update from posts #65 & 66

Buck 440 yards 223 Ackley Improved
1 shot DRT

Bull 260 (?) yards. (Precise distance in the 223 kills everything thread)
2 or 3 shots just because I don't like hitting bone and ruining meat and shoot elk till down

Cow 305(?) yards
dead on first shot but see above)
 

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6 animals this year since switching to the 6CM. All between 50 and 310 yards. 4 bang flops and the remaining 2 ran 25-30 yards before expiring.

I have zero doubt as to the terminal effectiveness of that cartridge and caliber. Hopefully my son can add a couple to the pile as well.
 
Im 9 for 9 on white tails with my 223 shooting either 75gr eldm, 77tmk, and 75gr gold dots.

One drt
Most ran/stumbled less than 20 yards
1 ran 75ish yards

All my autopsies and related posts in the 223 thread
 
You hunting rouge cattle?! If so that’s awesome!
Not often, but I have occasionally come across them while culling goats and deer.
Just gotta find a solid rest, pick a good aim point on the head and have an escape route planned 🤣
I've only shot a few cows, I leave the bulls alone.
 
6 animals this year since switching to the 6CM. All between 50 and 310 yards. 4 bang flops and the remaining 2 ran 25-30 yards before expiring.

I have zero doubt as to the terminal effectiveness of that cartridge and caliber. Hopefully my son can add a couple to the pile as well.
6 creed really does seem like the sweet spot.
 
I've killed at least a dozen deer with a .22 LR. All were one shot kills, and no losses. I've killed a couple of deer and a couple of pronghorn antelope with my .22-250. All were one shot kills, except one buck antelope that I knocked down 3 times with .22-250 hits and then I lost him. He was the only big game animal that I have ever hit and lost. I haven't hunted with a .22 caliber rifle since then.

One of my quickest elk kills was one year when I was hunting bighorn sheep on one of Montana's Unlimited Tag ram units. The part of that unit inside the Forest Service Wilderness Area was also open for deer and elk. My sheep hunt was cut short when my 2nd best 6x6 bull elk came bugeling toward me. One Sierra 117 gr GameKing bullet simply dropped him dead in his tracks.

I have or had several friends that killed everything up to elk and American buffalo with their .22-250s and .220 Swift. My Eskimo guide on my Arctic muskox hunt told me tha he had killed a polar bear with his .223 AR 15.

I am thankful that I live in a country and state where I can own a number and variety of firearms that I want, and that I have that variety of firearms.

Small caliber bullets can and have killed all sizes of game animals, IF the conditions are right, which is also true of large caliber bullets. BUT, if the conditions are not just right, you have a better chance of recovering an animal hit with a larger, more powerful bullet than a poorly placed small caliber bullet.
 
Small caliber bullets can and have killed all sizes of game animals, IF the conditions are right, which is also true of large caliber bullets. BUT, if the conditions are not just right, you have a better chance of recovering an animal hit with a larger, more powerful bullet than a poorly placed small caliber bullet.
In theory, sure, but I can’t prove it from experience.


The things I’ve hit poorly or seen others hit poorly, then get recovered (which is the only way I can say with any certainty where they were hit), whether they were shot again or not……show zero correlation between cartridge (or even velocity) and recovery.

My sample size over a lifetime is only about seven deer that were hit marginally then recovered. Three with follow-up shots later, four without. That doesn’t count deer that were hit repeatedly before attempting recovery - if it’s still standing I’m still shooting, even if it’s dead on its feet. The only exception I’ve ever made was a very obviously lung-shot deer. It stood wobbling for maybe 20 seconds, I should have shot again but didn’t. Felt bad about it later.

Again, my sample size here is only seven(?) that I remember, but one was with 6.8spc, ran 60 and died, one with smokeless muzzleloader with a very light load, ran 20-30 and died, one with a very powerful load from smokeless muzzleloader, ran 50-60 and died, two with 7mm-08, one ran maybe 200 and died, one ran maybe 150 and was shot again. Two hit poorly with .300wby. Both took follow-ups from a 6.8spc.

I watched four of those get shot and helped recover the other three. Fired the follow up on two of them.

The only thing I’ll add here is that none of those 7 were initially hit with ‘match’ bullets. From what very little I’ve seen but many volumes of documented kills I’ve read about, deer hit with ‘splody bullets, regardless of size, even with marginal hits, seem to be more likely to stop and offer a follow up, whereas deer hit with more heavily constructed and/or slower bullets, seem more likely to run.

*shrug*.
 
There are accounts of Wyoming old timers that successfully used a Savage 99 in .250-3000 with an 87 grain soft point bullet for everything in Wyoming, including Grizzly.

The Savage 99 was a popular saddle gun among some Wyoming old timers, and the .250-3000 was way flat shooting back in the day. I personally knew two old cowboys that used it, and knew of others.

I’m sure some of you from Montana and Idaho know of similar accounts of an old cowboy that packed a Savage 99/.250-3000 in a saddle scabbard for everything.
 
I'm fully invested in small calibers for big Midwestern whitetail. Im putting together an SBR tikka in 22arc to shoot the 88 tmks. Should be solid to 400 yards, well beyond my local max range.
 
Put together a 16” 22 creedmoor last year. I’ve only been feeding it Hornady 80gr ELD-M factory ammo that’s shooting at 3000 fps.

So far it has killed:

Blacktail - one shot at 350 yds traveled 25 yds and died

Blacktail - one shot at 450 yds traveled 50 yds and died

Mule Deer - two shots at 350 yds, quick follow up that dropped it in its tracks

Black Bear - one shot at 400 yds traveled 10 yds and died

Black Bear - two shots at 550 yds traveled 50 yds and died

I am beyond impressed with this little rifle, I will continue to use it on everything that it is legal to use it on. Non-existent recoil and organ destroying ELD-Ms are impossible for me to argue with.

Bonus 20 rd group at 100
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It’s hard to argue against small calibers for strictly hunting western game if you are truly unbiased.

I’m shooting a .308 and as soon as finances allow I will be going to a 6 or 22 creed. At the present I am looking for ELDMs in my .308.

I don’t like recoil and I want to be as accurate and precise as possible. I also don’t want to carry more weight than necessary. The goal is to be a better hunter.


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It’s hard to argue against small calibers for strictly hunting western game if you are truly unbiased.

I’m shooting a .308 and as soon as finances allow I will be going to a 6 or 22 creed. At the present I am looking for ELDMs in my .308.

I don’t like recoil and I want to be as accurate and precise as possible. I also don’t want to carry more weight than necessary. The goal is to be a better hunter.


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I took out 6 rifles the other day that I had tinkered on or put new scopes or stocks on to re-zero, cartridges ranged from 6 arc to an unsuppressed .308… man shooting those 6mm or 6.5mm cartridges with suppressors on them sure is nice, the .308 is not bad but what a juxtaposition with the 6mm with a can, definitely most accurate with my suppressed 6.5cm and below
 
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