What is the best value in used high end binos right now ($1000+)?

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What are some of the best options for used higher end binos right now in approximately the $1000-$1500 range? RF capability is also an option. 10x-15x but primary for tripod use. I know we are on the cusp of rf and image stabilization integration with excellent glass, but I need something to hold me over until then. What would you buy?
 
You can snag Zeiss SF binos for $15-1600 pretty regularly in great shape if you keep your eyes open. In my opinion, that’s easily the best value in the optics world. $3k new, and the only bino that really competes with it is a Swaro NL.
 
thisi s what I was thinking.

The Zeiss SFs/SFL might be worth a look and used should be in that range.


I reviewed the SFL40s, and ended up buying them after the review. Since then, they've released the 50s.

not sure 50s been out long enough to hit the used, but you know how our classifieds are. There's a rumor you could win a pair in Cold Bow/Cold Bore this year.

Outdoorsmans has new, and might have used.


do let us all know what you end up with.
 
Anyone care to elaborate more between the SF/SFL's, SLC, and EL? Certain models/mags to look for? A case for a certain one vs the others? Actually had a line on slc 15x but they were pre HD (neu) so I passed. Are UHD in the conversation? Maven? What Meoptas?
 
I'd really suggest getting hands on as many as you can. Zeiss SF are top of that lineup for sure (not only subjectively based on my opinion, but objectively based on the specs of that bino compared to the rest), but a lot of it depends on personal preference. They are bigger 10x/8x housings than some others, but with that you get some killer ergonomics. The SF has better FOV than anything else on that list, the swarovision in EL and certain SLC will give you slight edge to edge clarity advantage over the SF and SFL, but when I say slight...you'd probably never notice it.

I've owned all the binos that have been mentioned here excluding Meopta and including NLs, and for me...the SF is the best bino on the planet. I still have the SF 10, 8 and EL Range 12x. But, that's me. I have very large hands, so the NL is cramped for me and the SF is my huckelberry...always will be. Focus wheel erg advantages to to the SF (stands for smart focus), NL and SFL because your index finger naturally rests right on the wheel, and those three binos have buttery smooth focus wheels. EL, SLC you have to reach up towards your eyes to get the focus wheel. Small, but once you have the focus wheel where the SF, NL and SFL has it...it's hard to enjoy the EL/SLC focus location without missing the SF/NL.

The SF also has some crazy, seemingly small ergonomic advantages IMO that seem gimicky when you read about them, but are very real when comparing against other binos on the list. The weight is shifted towards your eyes, and NLs/SFLs are similar. But that makes the bino feel significantly lighter when hand holding. It's hard to explain, but a SF 10x makes an EL 10x feel like a brick in the hand. SLC in my opinion are tremendous binos, but the EL is better in every way, and the SF (to me) is a world above the SLC, and a significant step above the EL. Again, the only real competitor the SF has in terms of FOV, ergonomics, specs, etc is the NL....yet it can be had for $1500 in like new condition.

Color hue and field flatteners are another thing to consider. Some are impacted by the rolling ball with swaros, i've never seen it...but it's a real thing for some. Zeiss and Swaro have slightly different colors when looking through them, again, I prefer the colors in a Zeiss...but only slightly.

SFL and SLC i'd put together on your list at the bottom. SFL is great, as Robbie mentioned...a little on the small side for me and I again feel cramped. FOV isn't quite as good as SF but I (think) better than EL? SLC is a great value, older design with great glass...still a bit off for me ergonomically, the focus wheel on the SLC is the worst of the ones you mentioned IMO in terms of smoothness. Still get the swarovision edge to edge though.

and with ALL that being said, the EL Range TA 12x is my primary chest bino for all hunts...hard stop due to the RF and still VERY good optics ha. But it'll never be as near or dear to my heart as the SF. You can spend hours and hours on here researching this stuff, and I'd suggest reading up on the same topic on birdforum. A ton of good info out there, but in the end it's all going to be a bit biased and it all comes down to personal preference...and only you can say what is best for you. You are splitting hairs with all of these, and even though there are a lot of differences that have been mentioned....in this level of glass, they are all fairly subtle.

My list in order for what you mentioned. SF, EL, SFL (again, I have big hands), SLC, then Maven...I don't have Meopta experience or Kowa bino experience.
 
I'd really suggest getting hands on as many as you can. Zeiss SF are top of that lineup for sure (not only subjectively based on my opinion, but objectively based on the specs of that bino compared to the rest), but a lot of it depends on personal preference. They are bigger 10x/8x housings than some others, but with that you get some killer ergonomics. The SF has better FOV than anything else on that list, the swarovision in EL and certain SLC will give you slight edge to edge clarity advantage over the SF and SFL, but when I say slight...you'd probably never notice it.

I've owned all the binos that have been mentioned here excluding Meopta and including NLs, and for me...the SF is the best bino on the planet. I still have the SF 10, 8 and EL Range 12x. But, that's me. I have very large hands, so the NL is cramped for me and the SF is my huckelberry...always will be. Focus wheel erg advantages to to the SF (stands for smart focus), NL and SFL because your index finger naturally rests right on the wheel, and those three binos have buttery smooth focus wheels. EL, SLC you have to reach up towards your eyes to get the focus wheel. Small, but once you have the focus wheel where the SF, NL and SFL has it...it's hard to enjoy the EL/SLC focus location without missing the SF/NL.

The SF also has some crazy, seemingly small ergonomic advantages IMO that seem gimicky when you read about them, but are very real when comparing against other binos on the list. The weight is shifted towards your eyes, and NLs/SFLs are similar. But that makes the bino feel significantly lighter when hand holding. It's hard to explain, but a SF 10x makes an EL 10x feel like a brick in the hand. SLC in my opinion are tremendous binos, but the EL is better in every way, and the SF (to me) is a world above the SLC, and a significant step above the EL. Again, the only real competitor the SF has in terms of FOV, ergonomics, specs, etc is the NL....yet it can be had for $1500 in like new condition.

Color hue and field flatteners are another thing to consider. Some are impacted by the rolling ball with swaros, i've never seen it...but it's a real thing for some. Zeiss and Swaro have slightly different colors when looking through them, again, I prefer the colors in a Zeiss...but only slightly.

SFL and SLC i'd put together on your list at the bottom. SFL is great, as Robbie mentioned...a little on the small side for me and I again feel cramped. FOV isn't quite as good as SF but I (think) better than EL? SLC is a great value, older design with great glass...still a bit off for me ergonomically, the focus wheel on the SLC is the worst of the ones you mentioned IMO in terms of smoothness. Still get the swarovision edge to edge though.

and with ALL that being said, the EL Range TA 12x is my primary chest bino for all hunts...hard stop due to the RF and still VERY good optics ha. But it'll never be as near or dear to my heart as the SF. You can spend hours and hours on here researching this stuff, and I'd suggest reading up on the same topic on birdforum. A ton of good info out there, but in the end it's all going to be a bit biased and it all comes down to personal preference...and only you can say what is best for you. You are splitting hairs with all of these, and even though there are a lot of differences that have been mentioned....in this level of glass, they are all fairly subtle.

My list in order for what you mentioned. SF, EL, SFL (again, I have big hands), SLC, then Maven...I don't have Meopta experience or Kowa bino experience.
Lots of great info. I think the EL Range are more expensive than I was looking at?
 
Lots of great info. I think the EL Range are more expensive than I was looking at?
yeah, I was more so mentioning them to highlight that it all comes down to personal preference for your situation and your situation alone. You may end up really liking something the most, or using the most...even if it doesn't "stack up" in terms of specs or whatever else. As much as I praised the SF up there...it's not my go-to hunting bino because of my other priorities, which outweigh the optical quality and ergo advantages offered by the SF. You may find something similar in say, the current EL over the SF or NL, etc.
In the end, you're going to be stoked with any of the binos on that list...they are all so damn good, and such a pleasure to look through. The EL was arguably the best bino on the planet for a LONG time before the SF/NL came around.
You can't make a WRONG decision, but getting eyes in all of them can sure help you make the right decision for you.
 
Anyone care to elaborate more between the SF/SFL's, SLC, and EL? Certain models/mags to look for? A case for a certain one vs the others? Actually had a line on slc 15x but they were pre HD (neu) so I passed. Are UHD in the conversation? Maven? What Meoptas?
If going slc I would recommend getting the first rendition of HD or newer, I think 2011 was the first year but dont quote me.

Back in the day my brother and I were comparing a pair of pre and post 2011s and it was substantially better with the newer pair.
 
sig zulu 9... send them in for refurbishing and hopefully they upgrade you to zulu 10s for free
 
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