What happened?

[LongWayAround]

It sounds to me like you hit your bull well. He went 80 yards and died. The next day, you saw a similar bull and found the one that you actually shot. All good in my book.

I've had more than my fair share of struggles...

Similar example:

My buddy shot and dropped a young bull a few weeks ago. When the herd busted, a very similar bull came out with a mark on the sirloin area. My first thought was that was "his" bull. His bull was DRT.

Another time, a friend killed a bull archery hunting. We spent all afternoon searching the drainage where the herd had gone. His bull did a little loop and died right below us in the open.

 

[Timberline001]

Putting down an animal with a gun in Idaho archery season could get you in serious trouble.

I’m pretty sure shooting one at night with your bow would get you in trouble in Idaho as well. I honestly thought that was illegal everywhere but maybe that was just an assumption.

 

[dirtshooter]

Based on that pic and the angle I think you only got one lung.

You aimed for the entrance and should’ve aimed for the exit

On that picture with the red X could you please mark where one would aim for exit? In my less experienced archery ways I'd have shot that same spot as the OP

 

[Beendare]

Based on that pic and the angle I think you only got one lung.

You aimed for the entrance and should’ve aimed for the exit

Agreed

 

[Wentzler1425]

I’m pretty sure shooting one at night with your bow would get you in trouble in Idaho as well. I honestly thought that was illegal everywhere but maybe that was just an assumption.

It is likely illegal in all states that don't allow hunting after dark.....but ethically I can't see any sane person thinking a second shot in that scenario isn't the right thing to do.

 

[cnelk]

On that picture with the red X could you please mark where one would aim for exit? In my less experienced archery ways I'd have shot that same spot as the OP

This would be where my sight would be on a bull like that.

 

[Scoot]

My guess is that either the angle or the entrance is off slightly in the OPs picture (probably the angle) and that only one lung was hit. It's really easy for critters to be more quartering to or away than we think when we're at full draw and ready to send it. I agree with Geewiz that if everything was exactly as the pic shows, that guy would be down really fast. I'd bet he was quartered away a little more than that.

 

[jmez]

I had some circling fears of meat spoilage, so I didn't get an oppertunity to gut him and find out what I hit exactly.


Also - yes I did harvest all the meat, and all appears in great condition.


This doesn't make any sense to me? You had the greatest anatomy diagram you could ask for laying right there. You had fears of meat spoilage and didn't gut him, yet you saved all of the meat? If you quartered, or did gutless you certainly could have taken the 10 minutes to look where you hit. No one knows what happened, including you. No one's guess is any better than another and it is simply a guess. Had a perfect opportunity to learn from the experience. Much better advice on the dead elk laying in fron of you than on the internet.

 

[Bull_n_heat]

Had a perfect opportunity to learn from the experience. Much better advice on the dead elk laying in fron of you than on the internet.

I mean, it does sort of depend on to whom he or she is listening to on the internet, particularly if it's me

Congrats on the bull. Really good example of knowing when to push and when to pull back. Giving it a night saved you a lot of headache.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Most likely what happened is you hit a rib on the entrance and that deflected your arrow forward and didn't double lung.

I agree you should have double lunged with the shot posted, but we can not assume a perfectly straight path thru the animal. I also agree shooting back a little farther is the best bet when shooting qtr-ing away shots. Couple inches more give a lot more leeway.

I finally also agree the elk you saw in the AM was a different elk. Hard to know for sure, but depending on the amount of entrance hole from the broadhead, the amount of air entering/exiting the chest cavity thru the wound may have been enough to keep the one lung collapsed but not collapse the other. Chances are, once the wound sealed over and bleeding stopped, the air exchange in the damaged lung allowed pressure to build up in the chest cavity to cause a pnuemothorax and that eventually killed the elk, suffocated it to death. Would also explain the gas in the tissue since gas would have tried to escape through any possible route.

The good news is this, despite the slower death than desired, this is still a much more clean way to kill an elk than getting eaten alive by a pack of wolves or starving to death in the harsh winter. So do not beat yourself up over this. You persisted and found the elk, it was a lethal shot and you got some good meat from him. Good job.

 

[rclouse79]

Hard to say. The only thing I would have done different is to take that second shot at 60 yards if I was sure I hit him on the first shot.

 

[Marble]

Thanks for all the replies. Certainly alot learned here. My own opinions - obviously the shot wasn't right for some reason, he was closer to broadside than quartering away (ie 45* angle), but I just can't imagine I hit both lungs and he was still head up 2hrs later that night. (Need to find a better representation of lung location). I'm 50/50 as to whether it was the same elm. On one hand, given the location, elk density, and similarities (I knew "both" bulls were relatively small 4-5pts), and being 30 yards from where he was bedded, just seems unrealistic to think it wasn't him. My own hypothesis on that - perhaps with how very little he ran/moved, a single lung would take even longer to become lethal, and the morning movement accelerated that.

On the other hand, He did seem a little gassy skinning him(A few little "pshhh" noises, did not hit stomach), and it does seem odd he would just happen to die in the 45 mins between glassing him and making it up the hill.

Rigormortis takes about 6 hours to fully set. Depending on a few other factors, it could be faster or slower. It then takes about 24 hours to wear off.

What was the condition of the carcass?

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[Beendare]

I think it's a worthy exercise to analyze these situations...and have done it for years.

I have seen elk shot in what looked to be a great spot...only to lose them. Oner a buddy shot and didn't put another arrow in him because, "Thats a dead bull" ......we last saw a mile away going over the continental divide never to be recovered.

When those bulls are still standing and you can get another arrow in it without getting busted moving on the shot- do it. The second arrow even in a less than perfect shot location has been a game changer, IME.

The other thing that has been important is silent followup with binos scanning ahead seeing everything before they see or hear you. A poor follow-up jumps them into parts unknown. I always assume they are still alive. I've seen a couple times where it was possible to sneak in and get another arrow in a bedded bull.

 

[Wentzler1425]

I think it's a worthy exercise to analyze these situations...and have done it for years.

I have seen elk shot in what looked to be a great spot...only to lose them. Oner a buddy shot and didn't put another arrow in him because, "Thats a dead bull" ......we last saw a mile away going over the continental divide never to be recovered.

When those bulls are still standing and you can get another arrow in it without getting busted moving on the shot- do it. The second arrow even in a less than perfect shot location has been a game changer, IME.

The other thing that has been important is silent followup with binos scanning ahead seeing everything before they see or hear you. A poor follow-up jumps them into parts unknown. I always assume they are still alive. I've seen a couple times where it was possible to sneak in and get another arrow in a bedded bull.

Good thoughts, I certainly had more than 1 oppertunity to put more arrows in him. Curious if other have tips here. I held back another shot because his reaction didn't give me a dead giveaway I'd hit him hard. I had also missed a bull the day before (total misrange) which I had been grappling with back of my mind.

I had 2 shots that were low light and I thought I would have to sneak through some branches at 60 yards, which is the limit of what I'm comfortable shooting an elk at. I held back largely due to not being absolutely sure I'd hit him. I figured probabilisticly, I'd hit him super hard at close distance or missed completely for some reason, and didn't want to risk a sketchy shot if I hadn't hit him in the first place. Perhaps a confidence thing. Hind sight obviously being I should have taken a follow up - any advice there?

 

[GotDraw?]

Elk are know to travel far with single lung hit and rarely to even survive it.
JL

 

[CJF]

Just for reference the bull I shot this year was quartering away. The shoulder and your red x from the photo above were covered by a tree so I aimed just off the tree where I was comfortable. I knew I was shooting further back than I wanted but figured it would be perfectly lethal liver/lung. Necropsy showed arrow went through both lungs. Entrance was 12” behind scapula and hit right at the diaphragm connection to the ribs. Exit was 6” behind scapula and was in the middle of the off side lung.

I’m not suggesting a conclusion on quartering away shot placement. Just providing some anecdotal information.