What clothes should we buy before PFAS regulations?

[Macintosh]

To be fair, the outdoor industry is a LOT bigger than you are giving it credit for. Kuiu is a tiny company, they are the customer in this case, not the manufacturer. Sitka, owned by wl gore, is the only hunting apparel company im aware of that actually produces fabrics, it also includes the entire outdoor, ski, bike, etc markets. In addition to that, these fabric manufacturers are legit big companies that use the exact same materials and tech not just in outdoor fabric, but also industrial and automotive fabrics, filters, etc. The legislation affects a lot of these the same, it’s not just targeting hunting jackets and boots. We’re talking many, many billions of $ per year worth of manufacturing that used these materials, of which hunting stuff is only a small part.

 

[pugwylde]

And that’s the problem because they are the ones, in addition to pharmaceutical companies, responsible for the bulk of PFAs being released into the environment NOT my hunting gear.

So banning the hunting gear is nothing but more virtue signaling by politicians who want the mindless masses to believe they are helping you when the reality is they don’t care about you. They only care about what that lobbyists is sliding him off the books.

And that is why i never jump off the cliff when the masses say i should as in, “but don’t you care about PFAs in the rivers”. Sure i do but unless we all are willing to look at the real source of the problem and address it there instead of constantly attacking the low hanging fruit (hunters cause we are a minority) i’ll never support their virtue signaling that does nothing but harm smaller companies and make the PFA problem worse down the road. All while those exempted get a free pass and become even wealthier on the false premise it’s a “national security” issue. Your cell phone is most definitely NOT a national security issue. Maybe Trumps is but yours and mine are not. And they can make cell phones without PFAs they just wouldn’t have as slick of screens. But hey, they got gore tex outta boots that should do it

This isn't entirely wrong, or right. The textile industries are pretty heavy contributors to the pollution problem, we just don't feel it keenly in the US.

For the record, they can't actually make cell phones without PFAS. The chips that go into them require PFAS in the manufacturing processes. It isn't that it is cost prohibitive, the technology to build them without PFAS doesn't exist. So, if the US bans them for tech, then we are forced to buy those chips from China... Hence the national security issue.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

This isn't entirely wrong, or right. The textile industries are pretty heavy contributors to the pollution problem, we just don't feel it keenly in the US.

For the record, they can't actually make cell phones without PFAS. The chips that go into them require PFAS in the manufacturing processes. It isn't that it is cost prohibitive, the technology to build them without PFAS doesn't exist. So, if the US bans them for tech, then we are forced to buy those chips from China... Hence the national security issue.

So people are more concerned they have their cell phones than about PFAs getting into their water supply, got it. These bans, again, do nothing to stop the actual problem and really people in general don’t care as much as they’d want you to believe. They act like they care until you tell them you have to give up something they care about, a smart phone for example.

Me, i’d not care in the least if we all had to go back to flip phones and ditch the smart phones and all the garbage and problems that come along with them. Ban em, they have PFAs! But that’s an unpopular opinion so we will continue to put PFAs into the environment via cell phones, peoples drugs, plastics, etc. But hey, got rid of DWR rain jackets, back packs, cooking pans and Gore tex

 

[Wapack]

Anywho. Rain gear for sure is taking the hit. I’ll use my older stuff more sparingly now. And I’ll try to buy another older used set. I tried eVent bio recently and was not impressed at all. With rain gear going forward I can see having to re treat dwr before every hunt to get any function.

Edit. Nikwax products have been non pfas for a while now. So if you use any of there treatments there unchanged.