WEZ hit rates.

[huntnful]

The reticle renderings looks super promising


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Looking forward to seeing what comes of it for sure!!

 

[HuntHarder]

The Mil fan girls Crack me up. Just find a scope that you like the specs on and shoot. Dialing is no different from MOA unless you believe in all the tacticool talk of shooting animals at long range in sub 10 seconds. I like the guy that told Form to be a better hunter and quit spooking game and having to hurry to shoot them. Obviously a joke, but some hidden truth in there too.

 

[huntnful]

The Mil fan girls Crack me up. Just find a scope that you like the specs on and shoot. Dialing is no different from MOA unless you believe in all the tacticool talk of shooting animals at long range in sub 10 seconds. I like the guy that told Form to be a better hunter and quit spooking game and having to hurry to shoot them. Obviously a joke, but some hidden truth in there too.View attachment 961530

I'm just going to keep shooting MOA so when someone asks why I don't shoot MIL I can argue with them about how it's nothing special hahaha. "But quick drop and wind brackets". Okay Chris Kyle.... plug your ears while I kill this 100th animal with my muzzle braked magnum and MOA scope...

 

[Jordan Smith]

I'm just going to keep shooting MOA so when someone asks why I don't shoot MIL I can argue with them about how it's nothing special hahaha. "But quick drop and wind brackets". Okay Chris Kyle.... plug your ears while I kill this 100th animal with my muzzle braked magnum and MOA scope...

We should all use inferior systems just so we sound tough and pragmatic.

 

[huntnful]

We should all use inferior systems just so we sound tough and pragmatic.

It's not inferior, and it's not tough. It's just a system that works. It's not a big deal to anyone other than the people that think it's a big deal. If you honest to god think I'm not going to kill an animal that I've decided to kill because I'm shooting MOA and not MIL, you're out of your mind. Killing animals is SIMPLE. We complicate it. Making it sound like a battlefield of life and death and shit. They're defenseless and likely 95% of the time clueless of your presence. You literally just find them and shoot them regardless of what's etched on your turret and reticle.

 

[bojangles808]

no I have not. (don't really know how to either). could it be spinning it too high and its causing more dispersion? I'm at sea level and with the rpm formula (mv x 720/twist) I'm over 310,000 rpms.

I called Barnes and they said in the testing they've done with the 112 mbs they've done fine up to 331K rpms in a 7 twist. I guess this barrel just doesn't tlike them : /

 

[WeiserBucks]

It's not inferior, and it's not tough. It's just a system that works. It's not a big deal to anyone other than the people that think it's a big deal. If you honest to god think I'm not going to kill an animal that I've decided to kill because I'm shooting MOA and not MIL, you're out of your mind. Killing animals is SIMPLE. We complicate it. Making it sound like a battlefield of life and death and shit. They're defenseless and likely 95% of the time clueless of your presence. You literally just find them and shoot them regardless of what's etched on your turret and reticle.

Don't lose track of the simple fact that many people suck at hunting, much less killing and they'll constantly be searching for cure to the suck.

 

[BBob]

You literally just find them and shoot them regardless of what's etched on your turret and reticle.

Yup

 

[Formidilosus]

It's not inferior, and it's not tough. It's just a system that works. It's not a big deal to anyone other than the people that think it's a big deal. If you honest to god think I'm not going to kill an animal that I've decided to kill because I'm shooting MOA and not MIL, you're out of your mind. Killing animals is SIMPLE. We complicate it. Making it sound like a battlefield of life and death and shit. They're defenseless and likely 95% of the time clueless of your presence. You literally just find them and shoot them regardless of what's etched on your turret and reticle.

Interesting thought process. So why do use $5,000 plus rifle systems, massive cartridges, reload like psycho, and shoot animals at 900 yards if they are so dumb, defenseless, and easy?

 

[huntnful]

Interesting thought process. So why do use $5,000 plus rifle systems, massive cartridges, reload like psycho, and shoot animals at 900 yards if they are so dumb, defenseless, and easy?

Because it’s what I enjoy. A large part of my enjoyment comes from all the stuff prior to actually hunting. Testing bullets and powders and different cartridges. Taking something new to the field that I haven’t tried and seeing how it performs. Things like that.

Yeah I’ve killed a couple animals a long range, but not because it was a must to punch a tag. Specific animals in specific terrain and that’s how the opportunity at that animal presented itself. Straight up punching a tag, if you allot yourself the time to actually figure out where the animals are isn’t some massive accomplishment by any means, once you become a decent hunter.

So far I’ve shot a 6.5 all season and killed everything under 500 yards. No super magnum, no 1000 yard shots. Nothing special.

Also, I never said animals were dumb (maybe said it about elk a few times hahaha), but they are defenseless and easy to kill by the means that we’re killing them. They’re keen to see, smell and hear predators that kill them with them they claws and teeth. Not shoot them at several hundred yards across a draw or out in an AG field.

 

[solarshooter]

I'm just going to keep shooting MOA so when someone asks why I don't shoot MIL I can argue with them about how it's nothing special hahaha. "But quick drop and wind brackets". Okay Chris Kyle.... plug your ears while I kill this 100th animal with my muzzle braked magnum and MOA scope...

I'm reminded of this meme from another thread:


I'm not arguing with your success at all, your system clearly works for you. I think that in general, on the whole, mils are faster and more intuitive and therefore better overall. Used carefully MOA can be effective, and with ballistic calculators integrated into RF/binos/scopes can also be fast.

 

[huntnful]

I'm reminded of this meme from another thread:
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I'm not arguing with your success at all, your system clearly works for you. I think that in general, on the whole, mils are faster and more intuitive and therefore better overall. Used carefully MOA can be effective, and with ballistic calculators integrated into RF/binos/scopes can also be fast.

Lmao . That one cracked me up.

And I agree 100%. If you JUST have a rangefinder, Mils are more simple. If you have a ballistic rangefinder, it’s basically a toss up. And if you can sense wind and read wind like crazy and have mastered your wind number and can calculate it faster than I can input a wind speed and direction into my Revics, then you’re also better with Mils.

 

[Formidilosus]

Because it’s what I enjoy. A large part of my enjoyment comes from all the stuff prior to actually hunting. Testing bullets and powders and different cartridges. Taking something new to the field that I haven’t tried and seeing how it performs. Things like that.

Yeah I’ve killed a couple animals a long range, but not because it was a must to punch a tag. Specific animals in specific terrain and that’s how the opportunity at that animal presented itself. Straight up punching a tag, if you allot yourself the time to actually figure out where the animals are isn’t some massive accomplishment by any means, once you become a decent hunter.

So far I’ve shot a 6.5 all season and killed everything under 500 yards. No super magnum, no 1000 yard shots. Nothing special.

Also, I never said animals were dumb (maybe said it about elk a few times hahaha), but they are defenseless and easy to kill by the means that we’re killing them. They’re keen to see, smell and hear predators that kill them with them they claws and teeth. Not shoot them at several hundred yards across a draw or out in an AG field.

Ok- neat. So you optimize in a whole bunch of other aspects in the rifle, but can’t see why people would suggest optimizing the scope when given a choice?
Your comments were in regards to MOA versus mil, with a bunch of BS nonsense thrown in- and not a bit of factual information about the differences between them.

“ima shoot a 100th animal, while not being Chris Kyle”- while acting and using the stereotypical Chris Kyle thing: long range, big cartridges, MOA and SFP scopes, proned out on your belly. You’re literally trying to make fun of the very thing you do.

Saying that there is no difference in use between MOA and Mil is factually and demonstrably untrue, and takes about an hour at most to show it- even removing speed to shoot from the equation. There is no advantage in the field when both systems are used optimally, to MOA over Mil. The only way that someone doesn’t see that is if they are truly only just a bench shooter, or a belly bench shooter with no measuring performance against anything else.

People are trying to relay to other people asking questions- to just go with the better option from the start.

 

[Jordan Smith]

It's not inferior, and it's not tough. It's just a system that works. It's not a big deal to anyone other than the people that think it's a big deal. If you honest to god think I'm not going to kill an animal that I've decided to kill because I'm shooting MOA and not MIL, you're out of your mind. Killing animals is SIMPLE. We complicate it. Making it sound like a battlefield of life and death and shit. They're defenseless and likely 95% of the time clueless of your presence. You literally just find them and shoot them regardless of what's etched on your turret and reticle.

Sounds like scoped rifles and high-BC bullets make things too easy for you. Maybe you should leave the scoped rifle at home and stick to a bow or primitive muzzleloader?

Joking aside, I've guided experienced hunters that screwed up shots because they required trajectory correction, and the hunters got mixed up when dialing or holding their MOA turret/reticle. I'm not claiming there's a massive difference, but smaller numbers and base-10 adjustment increments help simplify things a bit, which helps under pressure. Not to mention simple, quick DOPE that is easy to remember, and wind numbers, both of which simplify things even more.

 

[huntnful]

Ok- neat. So you optimize in a whole bunch of other aspects in the rifle, but can’t see why people would suggest optimizing the scope when given a choice?
Your comments were in regards to MOA versus mil, with a bunch of BS nonsense thrown in- and not a bit of factual information about the differences between them.

“ima shoot a 100th animal, while not being Chris Kyle”- while acting and using the stereotypical Chris Kyle thing: long range, big cartridges, MOA and SFP scopes, proned out on your belly. You’re literally trying to make fun of the very thing you do.

Saying that there is no difference in use between MOA and Mil is factually and demonstrably untrue, and takes about an hour at most to show it- even removing speed to shoot from the equation. There is no advantage in the field when both systems are used optimally, to MOA over Mil. The only way that someone doesn’t see that is if they are truly only just a bench shooter, or a belly bench shooter with no measuring performance against anything else.

People are trying to relay to other people asking questions- to just go with the better option from the start.

Okay yeah, you definitely take killing animals more seriously than me. Because 1/2 the shit I say is in jest and just for fun to interact light heartedly on the forums and poke fun, while getting fun poked at me.

They’re suggesting it to ME, who have used BOTH. I think I get to have a slight opinion about it in the field situations I used them in.

I promise I won’t take anyone’s MIL scopes from them .

I understand all the shit about proving mil is faster when you set up every scenario to prove it. I’m not denying it. But it’s also not a big deal in the field from what I’ve seen.

My last belly shot on a bull

 

[huntnful]

Sounds like scoped rifles and high-BC bullets make things too easy for you. Maybe you should leave the scoped rifle at home and stick to a bow or primitive muzzleloader?

Joking aside, I've guided experienced hunters that screwed up shots because they required trajectory correction, and the hunters got mixed up when dialing or holding their MOA turret/reticle. I'm not claiming there's a massive difference, but smaller numbers and base-10 adjustment increments help simplify things a bit, which helps under pressure. Not to mention simple, quick DOPE that is easy to remember, and wind numbers.

One of these things?


Haha yes I totally understand what you’re saying. But that’s simply a hunter that doesn’t use their system enough. Whether it was MOA or MIL, they’d likely be a cluster **** from lack of usage of their system. I do think the 10 value is more simple. I’ve said many times I liked that much more than MOA.

 

[WeiserBucks]

My last belly shot on a bull

If you were using Mils you wouldn't have hit him in the belly

 

[huntnful]

If you were using Mils you wouldn't have hit him in the belly

I was able be .11 more precise with my belly shot by shooting MOA. Literal game changer

 

[Jordan Smith]

One of these things?

Yes, exactly! So you already have one, great. Now you can go ahead and sell all your scoped rifles that make hunting too easy. Please send me the list before posting publicly, and make sure to include buddy pricing for helping you through this difficult process.

 

[huntnful]

Yes, exactly! So you already have one, great. Now you can go ahead and sell all your scoped rifles that make hunting too easy. Please send me the list before posting publicly, and make sure to include buddy pricing for helping you through this difficult process.

I’m not saying it’s TOO easy. Just that it’s easy with a rifle. But I get my enjoyment from many MORE factors than just the kill. Like the challenge of finding/killing a mature animal or messing with rifles and shit during the off season.

I actually don’t even bow hunt anymore. It was fun, but I just like rifles more. I always loved rifles, and thought I would love archery just as much. But that wasn’t the case.