WEZ hit rates.

[huntnful]

180 ELDM at 3250 fps.

Oh sweet Jesus. Under what circumstances?

It’ll beat the 195, because they both normally true up around .38 G7

 

[Schmo]

How about a 195 Berger at 3176fps for a hit rate . Anyone want to compare it to anything? Lol

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That, my son, is what we call a long range bomber!

 

[huntnful]

That, my son, is what we call a long range bomber!

Ill shoot em as close as i can still though!!

 

[Mike D Texas]

How about a 195 Berger at 3176fps for a hit rate . Anyone want to compare it to anything? Lol

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I’ll leave this here. 300 grain ATip.

 

[huntnful]

I’ll leave this here. 300 grain ATip.View attachment 928418

Holy shit! What cartridge can push one at that speed? That’s faster than a 33XC lol

 

[Mike D Texas]

Holy shit! What cartridge can push one at that speed? That’s faster than a 33XC lol

That is a 33XC. 132 grains of RL50 and a 32” barrel. This isn’t going to be a hunting rig. It weighs 18+ # with an Atlas CAL and SiCo Hybrid suppressor attached. Going to attempt 2200 yards at Raton when I get a load developed for it.

This is also a brand new barrel, so it will speed up at some point.

I’ll see how the ATips do, but I plan to try the 285 grain Warner Flatlines. G7 BC is .484 and it may hit 3400fps since it’s a bore rider design.

 

[huntnful]

That is a 33XC. 132 grains of RL50 and a 32” barrel. This isn’t going to be a hunting rig. It weighs 18+ # with an Atlas CAL and SiCo Hybrid suppressor attached. Going to attempt 2200 yards at Raton when I get a load developed for it.

Sweet Jesus . What speed will you actually run it at you think? 3300 has to be pushing the top end for a 32”?

 

[Mike D Texas]

Sweet Jesus . What speed will you actually run it at you think? 3300 has to be pushing the top end for a 32”?

That load did have a slight ejector swipe but the bolt lift was easy and no clicker at the top. But for these initial loads, I’m backing down to 130 grains at 3255fps.

 

[CodeMonkey]

Can anyone run these simulations for a 605 grain arrow out of a recurve where the shooter has really bad target panic?

Asking for a friend...

 

[huntnful]

Can anyone run these simulations for a 605 grain arrow out of a recurve where the shooter has really bad target panic?

Asking for a friend...

At 7 yards you have a 3% hit rate and 1% actual recovery rate

 

[bojangles808]

@huntnful @Formidilosus with the difference between .5 moa and 1.5 being negligible, what is the difference between 1.5 and 2.5 moa system? I assume a lot more of a drop off?

I have had poor luck with velocities with the last lot I got of factory 108 ELDM (around 2800 even with a 24in barrel) However it shoots 1.25-1.5 10 shot groups for me and SDs are low teens..

So I picked up a box of Barnes precision 112 Match burners and I'm getting 3020 fps (same 24in barrel) with SDs in the high teens. However the tradeoff was a 2.5 moa 10 shot group. The extra speed and high BC is intriguing but 2.5 moa not great. Curious how much it truly matters.

 

[huntnful]

@huntnful @Formidilosus with the difference between .5 moa and 1.5 being negligible, what is the difference between 1.5 and 2.5 moa system? I assume a lot more of a drop off?

I have had poor luck with velocities with the last lot I got of factory 108 ELDM (around 2800 even with a 24in barrel) However it shoots 1.25-1.5 10 shot groups for me and SDs are low teens..

So I picked up a box of Barnes precision 112 Match burners and I'm getting 3020 fps (same 24in barrel) with SDs in the high teens. However the tradeoff was a 2.5 moa 10 shot group. The extra speed and high BC is intriguing but 2.5 moa not great. Curious how much it truly matters.

Your 108 ELDM load at 1.5 MOA at 600 yards on a deer


Your 112 MB load at 2.5 MOA even though it’s 200fps faster



The 112 load came up at 60% hit rate until I changed the precision from 1.5 to 2.5

 

[bojangles808]

Your 108 ELDM load at 1.5 MOA at 600 yards on a deer
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Your 112 MB load at 2.5 MOA even though it’s 200fps faster
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The 112 load came up at 60% hit rate until I changed the precision from 1.5 to 2.5

Well thank you for that. Interesting that it's a essentially a wash at 43% unless I'm reading that incorrectly?

 

[Formidilosus]

@huntnful @Formidilosus with the difference between .5 moa and 1.5 being negligible, what is the difference between 1.5 and 2.5 moa system? I assume a lot more of a drop off?

I have had poor luck with velocities with the last lot I got of factory 108 ELDM (around 2800 even with a 24in barrel) However it shoots 1.25-1.5 10 shot groups for me and SDs are low teens..

So I picked up a box of Barnes precision 112 Match burners and I'm getting 3020 fps (same 24in barrel) with SDs in the high teens. However the tradeoff was a 2.5 moa 10 shot group. The extra speed and high BC is intriguing but 2.5 moa not great. Curious how much it truly matters.

There is a relatively large drop off from 1.5 to 2.5 MOA on an 8” target… but not as large as people would think as @huntnful showed.


However- what rifle is shooting the Narnes 112hr at 2.5 MOA? All that I have seen is very good precision with it.

 

[huntnful]

Well thank you for that. Interesting that it's an essentially a wash at 43% unless I'm reading that incorrectly?

You’re reading it correctly. The increased speed but less precise load, is a wash with the slower more precise load.

Just coincidence they both landed at 43%

 

[bojangles808]

There is a relatively large drop off from 1.5 to 2.5 MOA on an 8” target… but not as large as people would think as @huntnful showed.


However- what rifle is shooting the Narnes 112hr at 2.5 MOA? All that I have seen is very good precision with it.

My PVA .68 taperless 24 in 7tw

108 Eldm




Barnes 112 MB


I overlayed the 2 5 shots strings to get 2.5 as it was same POA

 

[khuber84]

I would not use the 112s in your rifle or tweak load more. They have always done well 10k off lands and then again with a decent amount of jump 50-70 off.

 

[bojangles808]

I would not use the 112s in your rifle or tweak load more. They have always done well 10k off lands and then again with a decent amount of jump 50-70 off.

Unfortunately only shooting factory ammo, the velocities and high bc is tempting but yea it doesn't seem to be a good fit and I still have a lot of eldm left. . I do have another 6cm barrel on the way for another rifle so hoping it may work with that setup

 

[khuber84]

Unfortunately only shooting factory ammo, the velocities and high bc is tempting but yea it doesn't seem to be a good fit and I still have a lot of eldm left. . I do have another 6cm barrel on the way for another rifle so hoping it may work with that setup

Try the Berger 108 elite hunter ammo if you have access, it's done me well in a few rifles.

 

[Formidilosus]

My PVA .68 taperless 24 in 7tw

108 Eldm

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Barnes 112 MB
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I overlayed the 2 5 shots strings to get 2.5 as it was same POA

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That’s way outside what it should be doing. Have you physically checked the twist on it?