Wallop VS Authority. What’s the difference?

[Idaho Brad]

If Ty Freel said he dropped a blacktail spike with a 243 this is what 90% of the comments would sound like

Funny you mention T. Freel
I asked him the difference to which he said he’s not sure. I told him I’d start a RS thread on it and here we are


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[Idaho Brad]

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[EastTX Jess]

I think y'all are overlooking how my a magnum belt and walnut stock impact both.

If bullet weight and velocity are the same, a 300 magnum will have more wollop than a little ole 06

And if you fire it out of a walnut stocked rifle, it has more authority.

All a sliding scale, graded on a curve.

Extra wallop and authority if the rifle is unsuppressed, heavy factory trigger and said walnut stock has the original recoil pad.

 

[displacedtexan]

Extra wallop and authority if the rifle is unsuppressed, heavy factory trigger and said walnut stock has the original recoil pad.

Thank you! I can't believe I forgot about those multipliers!

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Extra wallop and authority if the rifle is unsuppressed, heavy factory trigger and said walnut stock has the original recoil pad.

Don't you mean hard plastic or metal butt plate?

Get a load of this product of participation trophies and his talk about recoil pads...

 

[JBradley500]

Wallop = internal ballistics
Authority = external ballistics
Knockdown = terminal ballistics

Ain't you guys never been to Elmer's school of gun learnin?

 

[EastTX Jess]

Don't you mean hard plastic or metal butt plate?

Get a load of this product of participation trophies and his talk about recoil pads...

I’m a gen X’er—no participation trophies! But, you are correct, I should have suggested an exponential wallop authority bonus for hard plastic or metal butt pad. My comment was based on the number of times I’ve seen someone on a gun forum lament that an old Ruger m77 or Win M70 had the hard red pad replaced, as if it rendered the rifle inoperable.

 

[robby denning]

The terms “wallop” and “authority” are being used a lot (in jest, mostly) in the past year or so. What’s the difference? Can one have a firearm with authority, but no wallop and vice versa? What happens when a gun has both? Is it possible?


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I’m so happy you started this thread.

 

[HunterGatherer]

Wallop is given. Authority is earned.

 

[JeffRaines]

I suggest you visit some gun stores or your local Sportmans warehouse. They should be able to get you squared away. Lots of knowledge nuggets you can pick up.

I second this!

I learned so much there... one day I brought my buddy in to look at rifles, and when I mentioned it would be used for bear the very knowledgable sales rep let us know the minimum caliber for black bear is 416 Rigby. Needless to say, he got a rifle with a lot of "wallop" and "authority" for his first rifle!

 

[robby denning]

Authority is a noun that belongs to the action a living person takes or can take. Authoritative is an adjective that describes the outcome the action a living person takes.

Firearms cannot have authority and is nonsensical to even have debate about it...

I’m here for the answer to this challenge

 

[robby denning]

Wallop on the left, Authority on the right

 

[ckleeves]

I second this!

I learned so much there... one day I brought my buddy in to look at rifles, and when I mentioned it would be used for bear the very knowledgable sales rep let us know the minimum caliber for black bear is 416 Rigby. Needless to say, he got a rifle with a lot of "wallop" and "authority" for his first rifle!

Well what people don’t realize is most Sportsman’s and Cabelas/bass pro gun counter employees go thru special training where they learn the complex in and outs of these equations and how to calculate them.

Now I haven’t personally been to this training but I have hung around enough gun stores I have been able to pick up on the lingo and all the knowledge from listening in as they educate some impressionable new hunters (free of charge I might add)

I think where the confusion comes from is it’s not just a numerical equation and that’s where things get tough.

Here is a little sample on why you need special training and it’s not really for layman to try to figure these things out. Only gunwriters and big box store employees are really qualified.

“Clobber” is how much wallop the cartridge in question has. Energy is easy (4000 ft lbs) then comes the knockdown (Floored²) then we multiply by bullet diameter (.375 in this case)

Correct answer is “This 375 Supermag packs some serious Clobber, it will Floor anything in NA with 1500 Flooring units of Authority!

 

[displacedtexan]

I’m a gen X’er—no participation trophies! But, you are correct, I should have suggested an exponential wallop authority bonus for hard plastic or metal butt pad. My comment was based on the number of times I’ve seen someone on a gun forum lament that an old Ruger m77 or Win M70 had the hard red pad replaced, as if it rendered the rifle inoperable.

Still operable, just less authority and wallop.

Which is almost worse!

 

[EastTX Jess]

Well what people don’t realize is most Sportsman’s and Cabelas/bass pro gun counter employees go thru special training where they learn the complex in and outs of these equations and how to calculate them.

Now I haven’t personally been to this training but I have hung around enough gun stores I have been able to pick up on the lingo and all the knowledge from listening in as they educate some impressionable new hunters (free of charge I might add)

I think where the confusion comes from is it’s not just a numerical equation and that’s where things get tough.

Here is a little sample on why you need special training and it’s not really for layman to try to figure these things out. Only gunwriters and big box store employees are really qualified.

“Clobber” is how much wallop the cartridge in question has. Energy is easy (4000 ft lbs) then comes the knockdown (Floored²) then we multiply by bullet diameter (.375 in this case)

Correct answer is “This 375 Supermag packs some serious Clobber, it will Floor anything in NA with 1500 Flooring units of Authority!

This thread is about wallop and authority. If you choose to discuss the merits of Clobber, you’ll have to start a new thread.

 

[ckleeves]

This thread is about wallop and authority. If you choose to discuss the merits of Clobber, you’ll have to start a new thread.

And that’s where the confusion is, Clobber is just describing the amount of wallop. Could also use (once again depending on amount of said wallop) thump, belt, pound, clout, whack, bash, slam, smash, beat, drub, trounce, and one of my personal favorites, crush.

Crush is more wallop then clobber is, so like a 338 Rum would have crush where a 300 Rum would just have clobber. It’s still quite a bit of wallop in the 300 Rum, just not as much as the 338.

 

[bradmacmt]

Wallop VS Authority. What’s the difference?

A Bachelor's degree...

 

[EastTX Jess]

@ckleeves your explanation proves that I’m not qualified to work a gun counter as I was ignorant of the 12 interchangeable terms for clobber.

 

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[ckleeves]

@ckleeves your explanation proves that I’m not qualified to work a gun counter as I was ignorant of the 12 interchangeable terms for clobber.

It ain’t your fault bud you probably don’t have a Sportsman’s close to you or a subscription to Outdoor Life.

I would find a local gun store nearby and start hanging out on the weekends. You will pick it up in no time.

It’s not as good as in person learning but “The Real Gunsmith” on YouTube knows a thing or two about the different levels of wallop.