Vortex drop testing their new LPVO

[Te Hopo]

I just watched this, I dont have a use case for this scope but wanted to see what was so advanced about it.
Was pleasantly surprised to see them dropping it from shoulder height rather than just using machine tests.

Looks like its going to be a tough scope.

 

[06 SB]

For an MSRP of $6,300 it had better be tough!

 

[BBob]

For an MSRP of $6,300 it had better be tough!

That’s a bit ridiculous. Yeah that’s MSRP but street price will still be ridiculous.

 

[Formidilosus]

I’m so confused…. I thought actually testing and zero retention, with high round count testing was stupid and already being done, and there was no differences between scopes… but at 7min 15sec they said they had never tested scopes anywhere close to this before and that no other scopes they have were tested or developed in any similar manner; and then reiterated at 11min 25’ish sec that testing fully like this was a totally new thing for them…


Here’s my shocked face.

 

[justinspicher]

At the end of the day, it’s still a Vortex……

 

[grfox92]

I’m so confused…. I thought actually testing and zero retention, with high round count testing was stupid and already being done, and there was no differences between scopes… but at 7min 15sec they said they had never tested scopes anywhere close to this before and that no other scopes they have were tested or developed in any similar manner; and then reiterated at 11min 25’ish sec that testing fully like this was a totally new thing for them…


Here’s my shocked face.

If they started producing hunting scopes that tracked and held zero, would you use them?

 

[Formidilosus]

If they started producing hunting scopes that tracked and held zero, would you use them?

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Why wouldn’t I?

 

[grfox92]

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Why wouldn’t I?

Some people hold a grudge and would write off good gear because of a position a company once had or something they said it how they handled a particular incident. Or just because of their track record with quality.

Ive heard you say numerous times you will use anything that works as it should. Based on your initial response to the video I wasn't sure if you would not use them out of principle due to what they have said in the past or if you would shrug it off and use it because it works. I see where your at though.

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[Bubblehide]

They show a drop, but I didn't hear them say anything about drop testing (please let me know if I somehow missed it), as such, it seems like a lot of hype about recoil testing, to me. Time will tell, but thus far, I'm betting that lifetime warranty will be utilized by many.

 

[Bubblehide]

Some people hold a grudge and would write off good gear because of a position a company once had or something they said it how they handled a particular incident. Or just because of their track record with quality

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Their track record with durability leaves any reasonable person doubtful of their claims. I'd love to see this and more scope manufactures pass the drop tests, giving us more reliable options. But obviously I still have doubts about this product, as the video was all about recoil testing, not drop testing. From my perspective, all components of Forms scope testing are important. Each component tests a different component of durability, all combine to form reliability. I want my money going to a reliable scope, as many here do.

Let's hope in time this one proves to be reliable, and retails at a competitive price.

 

[Reed104R]

I'm pretty sure the AMG scopes were developed for British Special Forces. Its ironic that Vortex arguably builds some of the most advanced military small arms optics in the world (all made in USA), and yet, they seem to have difficulty building reliable hunting scopes.

 

[BBob]

they seem to have difficulty building reliable hunting scopes.

I don’t think it’s a difficulty it’s that they have just chosen not to. Like many Mfgs they don’t have to. Maybe someday that market will get big enough and more will have to or want to. Or maybe not and small companies like S2H can prosper in that smaller market.

 

[Formidilosus]

Some people hold a grudge and would write off good gear because of a position a company once had or something they said it how they handled a particular incident. Or just because of their track record with quality.

Ive heard you say numerous times you will use anything that works as it should. Based on your initial response to the video I wasn't sure if you would not use them out of principle due to what they have said in the past or if you would shrug it off and use it because it works. I see where your at though.

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Some people hold a grudge and would write off good gear because of a position a company once had or something they said it how they handled a particular incident. Or just because of their track record with quality.

Ive heard you say numerous times you will use anything that works as it should. Based on your initial response to the video I wasn't sure if you would not use them out of principle due to what they have said in the past or if you would shrug it off and use it because it works. I see where your at though.

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I understand that people can’t understand truly non-biased, objective behavior because it goes against human nature, and people reflect their own viewpoint into it.

I will never allow liking, or disliking something or someone to affect objective data or outcomes. My own “ego” wouldn’t allow it- what kind of a **** lies to make a buck or hold a grudge? That’s how my brain works. There is a product that I have suggested to people repeatedly on this forum, that was taken from me- my idea, my design, my testing, my development; and the company cut me out completely after swearing they would not. I still recommend it- it is the best product of its kind on the market.

I have stated repeatedly for nearly 15 years that if I could consistently get Razer 1-6x scopes to hold zero, they woukd be the best 1-6x SFP scope.
I just tried to buy a Leupold Mark 4 fixed power last week- you know, from a company that I supposedly hate. While anything from Vortex is suspect and I would have to put a lot of caveats on a scope even if they trended to be solid- due to their history (they could change them at will) a good product is a good product.

 

[Formidilosus]

Their track record with durability leaves any reasonable person doubtful of their claims. I'd love to see this and more scope manufactures pass the drop tests, giving us more reliable options. But obviously I still have doubts about this product, as the video was all about recoil testing, not drop testing. From my perspective, all components of Forms scope testing are important. Each component tests a different component of durability, all combine to form reliability. I want my money going to a reliable scope, as many here do.

Let's hope in time this one proves to be reliable, and retails at a competitive price.

That is correct- their drop in the video was about damaging a turret, not checking zero shift.

 

[grfox92]

I understand that people can’t understand truly non-biased, objective behavior because it goes against human nature, and people reflect their own viewpoint into it.

I will never allow liking, or disliking something or someone to affect objective data or outcomes. My own “ego” wouldn’t allow it- what kind of a **** lies to make a buck or hold a grudge? That’s how my brain works. There is a product that I have suggested to people repeatedly on this forum, that was taken from me- my idea, my design, my testing, my development; and the company cut me out completely after swearing they would not. I still recommend it- it is the best product of its kind on the market.

I have stated repeatedly for nearly 15 years that if I could consistently get Razer 1-6x scopes to hold zero, they woukd be the best 1-6x SFP scope.
I just tried to buy a Leupold Mark 4 fixed power last week- you know, from a company that I supposedly hate. While anything from Vortex is suspect and I would have to put a lot of caveats on a scope even if they trended to be solid- due to their history (they could change them at will) a good product is a good product.

Makes total sense. Much respect.

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[jaredg]

Didn't watch the video but saw they are using a Scar for testing. Scars are notoriously hard on scopes.

 

[dballsmithda3rd]

Great video. It should be tough for the asking price.

 

[RockAndSage]

It's great those guys are doing all that R&D and advancing their capabilities and knowledge, but...hasn't Leupold been bragging for years about their recoil simulator?

If they're not testing for lateral impacts, similar to the drop testing, then they can't really be engineering for that kind of reliability directly. Sure would be hell to go through all that work, only to realize later that their specs had missed one of the most important factors in real-world reliability.

 

[Steve300xcw]

If they started producing hunting scopes that tracked and held zero, would you use them?

Notta chance. I'll light my money on fire before they get anymore of it.

 

[Dobermann]

He lost me at 1:27 ... they chose 60-70 'code names' for this project? That's hysterically funny.

That squares with how silly the content of their podcast was - I remember taking one for the RS team a few years ago, and listening to a few episodes to get a sense of who was actually involved in Vortex. From memory, my impressions back then were that they were repeating a bunch of fuddlore and straight-up incorrect information, packaged in a 'heeall yeah brother' kind of embarrassing wannabe bravado.

Personally, I get @Formidilosus's honorable wish to support whoever makes durable scopes, and I tried to follow Form's high road and give them a go on the Fury's back when there weren't as many reliable options.

But now, for me personally, these guys have come across as such w@ankers for so long that I don't think I'd be bothered to buy from them even if they did make something that works ... there are enough other choices in the broad scope categories they market to (LPVO, hunting, and long range) that there'd be no need.