Vertical 3 Pin Options?

[Dylan Sluis]

How much weight off the back bar?

It is interesting to learn that rotating an ounce around the fulcrum would eliminate more than an ounce at the end of the lever. The plain and simple physics of that concept is law defying and I am interested to learn how it goes once you have one in hand.

I have no clue. We will see what balances the bow once everything is setup and ready. But won’t be another 2 months till I get the bow.

 

[N2TRKYS]

I’m a whitetail guy. So almost always under 40. I’m planning on hunting in different areas on my land where shots could go 50+ so that’s why I’m a fan of that 3rd one. I’m also planning on doing some spot and stalk so that’s why I like a triple over a double. When I talked to the guys at dialed and told them my speeds they said my pins should fall around 20 35 50 which is exactly what I want.

A regular fixed 3 pin would work for you. Set them at 30-40-50 and you should be good to go. However, a single pin slider set at 30 would get you all the way to 40 and still holding on deer.

Good luck with your search.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

A regular fixed 3 pin would work for you. Set them at 30-40-50 and you should be good to go. However, a single pin slider set at 30 would get you all the way to 40 and still holding on deer.

Good luck with your search.

My first sight was a fixed 3 pin and i liked having multiple pins and multiple aiming references. But I couldn't stand the pin clutter. So I switched to a single pin slider and shot that for 3 years. I loved that sight and shot way better with that sight over a 3 pin horizontal due to just a clearer sight picture. But I was always nervous about having a deer at 20 and then spooking out to 40 which would then obviously make me re dial my sight. So I want to get back into the 3 aiming references but I want it in a vertical pin configuration for a clearer sight picture.

 

[N2TRKYS]

My first sight was a fixed 3 pin and i liked having multiple pins and multiple aiming references. But I couldn't stand the pin clutter. So I switched to a single pin slider and shot that for 3 years. I loved that sight and shot way better with that sight over a 3 pin horizontal due to just a clearer sight picture. But I was always nervous about having a deer at 20 and then spooking out to 40 which would then obviously make me re dial my sight. So I want to get back into the 3 aiming references but I want it in a vertical pin configuration for a clearer sight picture.

You sound like you were trying to dial too much. Your scenario doesn’t require you to dial at all.

 

[NXTZ]

I have no clue. We will see what balances the bow once everything is setup and ready. But won’t be another 2 months till I get the bow.

What bow are you getting? You may have already considered this, but I would think the weight savings/optimization from the pic sight really shows up if you also keep your quiver on and can move it in closer without the sight interfering.

I had a Hoyt 2 piece quiver-that thing could get crazy tight to the bow, even with a standard mount sight and hamskea epsilon. I don’t think a pic mount would’ve let me move it any closer actually.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

You sound like you were trying to dial too much. Your scenario doesn’t require you to dial at all.

You don’t have to dial in that situation. But I would like to not be shorting that big of gaps with a single pin. That’s pushing it for me.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

What bow are you getting? You may have already considered this, but I would think the weight savings/optimization from the pic sight really shows up if you also keep your quiver on and can move it in closer without the sight interfering.

I had a Hoyt 2 piece quiver-that thing could get crazy tight to the bow, even with a standard mount sight and hamskea epsilon. I don’t think a pic mount would’ve let me move it any closer actually.

I’m getting an ax2 29 with the super lite stretch quiver. I’m integrating my rest and sight for reference

 

[sndmn11]

I have no clue. We will see what balances the bow once everything is setup and ready. But won’t be another 2 months till I get the bow.

Well, how long is your back bar? Simple physics has an equation that will tell us.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

Well, how long is your back bar? Simple physics has an equation that will tell us.

I’m gonna be running an 8 from the lower stabilizer hole in the front. And a 10 in the back. That’s the plan unless I decide to flip em.

 

[sndmn11]

. And a 10 in the back. That’s the plan unless I decide to flip em.

That makes the simple physics easy then at a 10:1 mechanical advantage! When you lose an oz on one side of the bow and inch from the fulcrum, you can remove .1oz (44gr) from the other side 10" from the fulcrum.

The standard mount in that sight has the advantage of moving it in and out to:
1) play with pin gap
2) play with balance without adding weight to the bow
3) play with peep fit
4) transport easier

 

[N2TRKYS]

You don’t have to dial in that situation. But I would like to not be shorting that big of gaps with a single pin. That’s pushing it for me.

What do you mean by big gaps? I’m using 60lb mods in my Mathews with a 28” draw and shooting 430 grain arrows. My single pin set at 30 yards covers me out to 40 yards while still holding on the deer. As a whitetail guy, it’s the perfect setup. I also don’t use any stabilizers cause I don’t want the extra weight and it takes up space in the stand for me. I just don’t like extra crap hanging off my bow in a stand.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

That makes the simple physics easy then at a 10:1 mechanical advantage! When you lose an oz on one side of the bow and inch from the fulcrum, you can remove .1oz (44gr) from the other side 10" from the fulcrum.

The standard mount in that sight has the advantage of moving it in and out to:
1) play with pin gap
2) play with balance without adding weight to the bow
3) play with peep fit
4) transport easier

I have always not been a fan of standard dovetail mount. No matter what brand. I don’t want any more moving parts or screws than necessary.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

What do you mean by big gaps? I’m using 60lb mods in my Mathews with a 28” draw and shooting 430 grain arrows. My single pin set at 30 yards covers me out to 40 yards while still holding on the deer. As a whitetail guy, it’s the perfect setup. I also don’t use any stabilizers cause I don’t want the extra weight and it takes up space in the stand for me. I just don’t like extra crap hanging off my bow in a stand.

For me personally it’s easier to shoot gaps with more references. Maybe different for you but it’s easier for me to let’s say shoot 28 with a 20 and 35 pin than a stand alone 20 pin. I ran a 10 out front and an 8 in back on a Torrex this year and I didn’t feel like they got in the way at all. And it shot way nicer with both bars. And I drug that bow through hell.

 

[N2TRKYS]

For me personally it’s easier to shoot gaps with more references. Maybe different for you but it’s easier for me to let’s say shoot 28 with a 20 and 35 pin than a stand alone 20 pin. I ran a 10 out front and an 8 in back on a Torrex this year and I didn’t feel like they got in the way at all. And it shot way nicer with both bars. And I drug that bow through hell.

Why would you have a stand alone 20 yard pin? Folks are trying to help you answer your questions, but sounds like you already had your mind made up from the start.
So, get you a 10 pin sight and set your first pin at 5 yards since apparently you’re ordering the slowest bow in the world.

Good luck with your search.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

Why would you have a stand alone 20 yard pin? Folks are trying to help you answer your questions, but sounds like you already had your mind made up from the start.
So, get you a 10 pin sight and set your first pin at 5 yards since apparently you’re ordering the slowest bow in the world.

Good luck with your search.

When I say stand alone 20 yard pin I mean a single pin set to 20 yards. If hunting was perfect they'd always come in at 20 yards, never spook and never have to shoot gaps. trust me i'd love it if it were that way. But its not. I might range a deer at 26, draw and he spooks out next to a tree i know is 42. With only one pin youd then most likely have let down to re dial. That's why I want those extra pins so I wouldn't have to re dial. And ya I had my mind made up, I asked for vertical 3 pin options. That's what I want, and you keep recommending not vertical 3 pins. Will be shooting a 467 grain arrow around 290 so ya I am just lobbing at deer.

 

[sndmn11]

@Dylan Sluis in your bunches of archery threads there is a great deal of logical wisdom drawn from experience that is shared with you. At some point you'll have a moment of, "oh THAT'S what they were saying!". Good luck with your new investment.

 

[Jotis]

I run a 3 pin slider. I have my pins 30,40,50. I hunt mainly from a stand for whitetail and usually do a trip out west every year. I don’t see a need for a 20 yard pin even for deer. Your 30 yard pin will be good from 0-30.

 

[NXTZ]

Hey op, just something else to consider (that may not have been mentioned in this thread), but do you want/need individually adjustable pins? I don’t think dark owl or dialed lets you move the pins just from looking at them. The spot Hogg tripple and cbe trek pro (can use a pic mount, but it is an extra piece) both give you pin adjustment.

Trying to think of factors than may help you narrow it down.

 

[Dylan Sluis]

Hey op, just something else to consider (that may not have been mentioned in this thread), but do you want/need individually adjustable pins? I don’t think dark owl or dialed lets you move the pins just from looking at them. The spot Hogg tripple and cbe trek pro (can use a pic mount, but it is an extra piece) both give you pin adjustment.

Trying to think of factors than may help you narrow it down.

Adjustable pins aren’t super important to me. That’s why I’m leaning towards the dialed. If the SH triple stack was lighter and had a smaller housing I’d already have it cause it’s a really nice sight

 

[Dylan Sluis]

I run a 3 pin slider. I have my pins 30,40,50. I hunt mainly from a stand for whitetail and usually do a trip out west every year. I don’t see a need for a 20 yard pin even for deer. Your 30 yard pin will be good from 0-30.

If I get the dialed my pins will fall closely to 20 35 50 so I’ll be able to shoot out to 50 without dialing. But I’ll have to mess with starting my top pin at 30. And see how far off I am at 20. Seen a lot of people saying this. I’m just so customed to starting at 20. The only thing that worries me about starting at 30 is like if a deer is at like 6 yards. Cause those shots get tough even with a 20 pin