Vegas Shooting- truly sick

[Jauwater]

I will remove my post regarding the percentages because there are conflicting news reports all over google, and it makes for a dead end debate. My initial post wasn’t google checked, it was a news report that I followed years ago. For anyone googling this, as it seems people are, cause I’m getting the same reports you all are. But there are other reports mixed in that hold truth to the numbers I remember hearing.


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[Molon Labe]

I thank all the people that reacted and helped these victims.
I hope for a fast mental and physical recovery for all those touched by this horrific event.

 

[maninthemaze]

*"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" Ben Franklin

Just my 2 cents and worth the price charged.

 

[durangobrad]

There certainly are a lot of conflicting numbers when doing a google search similar statistics. I believe the numbers I was pulling from was a news report from The Independent UK News in 2014, I believe, they had a number of 14 thousand murders by knife. I don’t live there, and maybe it’s wrong, but that’s what it said. Here are a couple other reports between UK, and London.

These statistics are on violent crimes involving a knife. Not necessarily deaths. If I had more time I’m sure I could pull up more.

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All of a sudden an offense using a knife is equal to a murder with a knife. Wow thats some pretty far stretching.

 

[JWP58]

My AR sets in the safe and I will gladly give it up so your wife or daughter never experiences what mine has, this has made it very personal.
God bless.

Unfortunately that won't keep another mass killing from happening. Evil will always find an instrument, be it a gun, bomb, truck, plane, etc.

 

[Dromsky]

I'm very sorry your wife and daughter had to go through that, but how is giving up your guns going to make you more safe?

I don't think I need to worry about my safety too much, the odds of something like this happening again to my family are pretty slim. So guys I'm with you on gun control but! I'm beginning to wonder about our Need for military based weapons, I have one because I can, that's the only reason, is it cool, yes, do I Need it for protection or hunting, no, I have other weapons that fill that need. Now if the Zombies do ever attack I'll wish I had it.
I'm only the only one that thinks that purchasing 33 military based weapons in a month should raise a red flag somewhere?
I'll never give up all my guns, and don't expect you to. Is there a middle ground that would prevent the wrong people from getting rapid fire, high capacity killing machines or are we past that.
Thanks for listening, and all the messages, we appreciate it.

 

[Rmauch20]

Enforcing the current laws that we already have on the books. Not pleading down every case because it's easier than taking them to trial in federal gun crimes. Would be a good start.

As a law-abiding American citizen I will not have my freedom stripped away slowly by a gun control bills. The left/ democrats never compromise with us on anything related to Guns. All they want to do is continually strip away rights. I will not compromise at all.

What new law do you think would've prevented this?

 

[toadmeister]

I'm only the only one that thinks that purchasing 33 military based weapons in a month should raise a red flag somewhere?
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I agree with this if accurate (33/month). How come this guy wasn't under investigation?



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[Dromsky]

Enforcing the current laws that we already have on the books. Not pleading down every case because it's easier than taking them to trial in federal gun crimes. Would be a good start.

As a law-abiding American citizen I will not have my freedom stripped away slowly by a gun control bills. The left/ democrats never compromise with us on anything related to Guns. All they want to do is continually strip away rights. I will not compromise at all.

What new law do you think would've prevented this?

Hey guys, I really didn't mean to start a gun control thread here. Its been an emotional 4 days and I'm trying to process things.
Thanks for your support and happy hunting.

 

[Rmauch20]

I agree with this if accurate (33/month). How come this guy wasn't under investigation?



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For what? Up until the first shot he was law abiding citizen.

 

[maninthemaze]

I don't think I need to worry about my safety too much, the odds of something like this happening again to my family are pretty slim. So guys I'm with you on gun control but! I'm beginning to wonder about our Need for military based weapons, I have one because I can, that's the only reason, is it cool, yes, do I Need it for protection or hunting, no, I have other weapons that fill that need. Now if the Zombies do ever attack I'll wish I had it.
I'm only the only one that thinks that purchasing 33 military based weapons in a month should raise a red flag somewhere?
I'll never give up all my guns, and don't expect you to. Is there a middle ground that would prevent the wrong people from getting rapid fire, high capacity killing machines or are we past that.
Thanks for listening, and all the messages, we appreciate it.

Does this mean I should let them take my 8mm mauser? What about an M1 Garand?

Just my 2 cents and worth the price charged.

 

[orionthehunter1]

The guns were purchased sporadically over a years time and in multiple states not a month

 

[THBZN]

I'll probably catch some crap for this, but hey, freedom of speech, right?

I would like to believe that as a society, we can come together to put in place improved laws/protocols to increase our safety when it comes to firearms. I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner, but I am also a father, brother, husband and friend. I have too many important people in my life to not critically look at where we are at as a society when it comes to guns. Especially when seen on a global stage, where we are dead last in terms of gun safety/firearm killings in developed countries. This isn't Rwanda or the Sudan, folks. Dead last = USA.

Also, we really need to drop the "cold dead hands" NRA quote; too quickly, the discussion around improved gun control laws immediately spirals into "THEY" want "all" of my guns. Not what I am advocating, and once we get past the boogieman factor, it won't happen.

If we take an objective look at the situation, and the cold hard facts and statistics, why wouldn't we want to take a page out of another country's playbook? Can we modify them to suit our needs? This is not an all or nothing situation. Australia has not had a mass shooting since 1996. Norway has tough laws, but law-abiding citizens, etc. can obtain firearms. Same with Finland, etc. Why? Would it work here? Like I mentioned, it is worth examining.

If anyone on the forum experienced what Dromsky did, or had a loved one die in front of them during the Las Vegas shootings, I feel the inherent need to protect our loved ones, ourselves and our society, would overshadow the knee jerk reaction to owning guns as being more important.

Look at the safeguards and laws we have in place around air safety, food, medicine, professional services, etc. Sure, nothing is perfect, and never will be. That is not the point. But this trend of throwing out prayers and good thoughts, and then letting the tragedy pass until the next one -- and we all know there will be another one, sadly -- throw it all back in the spotlight to be debated, and likely not solved.

I think we can do better, or at least try a helluva lot harder.

 

[rustyN]

I'll probably catch some crap for this, but hey, freedom of speech, right?

I would like to believe that as a society, we can come together to put in place improved laws/protocols to increase our safety when it comes to firearms. I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner, but I am also a father, brother, husband and friend. I have too many important people in my life to not critically look at where we are at as a society when it comes to guns. Especially when seen on a global stage, where we are dead last in terms of gun safety/firearm killings in developed countries. This isn't Rwanda or the Sudan, folks. Dead last = USA.

Also, we really need to drop the "cold dead hands" NRA quote; too quickly, the discussion around improved gun control laws immediately spirals into "THEY" want "all" of my guns. Not what I am advocating, and once we get past the boogieman factor, it won't happen.

If we take an objective look at the situation, and the cold hard facts and statistics, why wouldn't we want to take a page out of another country's playbook? Can we modify them to suit our needs? This is not an all or nothing situation. Australia has not had a mass shooting since 1996. Norway has tough laws, but law-abiding citizens, etc. can obtain firearms. Same with Finland, etc. Why? Would it work here? Like I mentioned, it is worth examining.

If anyone on the forum experienced what Dromsky did, or had a loved one die in front of them during the Las Vegas shootings, I feel the inherent need to protect our loved ones, ourselves and our society, would overshadow the knee jerk reaction to owning guns as being more important.

Look at the safeguards and laws we have in place around air safety, food, medicine, professional services, etc. Sure, nothing is perfect, and never will be. That is not the point. But this trend of throwing out prayers and good thoughts, and then letting the tragedy pass until the next one -- and we all know there will be another one, sadly -- throw it all back in the spotlight to be debated, and likely not solved.

I think we can do better, or at least try a helluva lot harder.

And what do you have to propose that would have stopped this man from doing what he wanted to? No criminal record, no diagnosis of any sort of mental health issues, by all accounts no one close to him saw any signs of anything out of the ordinary.

Just because some people feel like we shouldn't be able to own certain types of firearms, or certain capacity mags, or certain amounts of ammo, doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't. I disagree with a lot of things in this country, but people have their right to do whatever the hell they want to.

I would argue that most gun laws in this country are fine, some are ridiculous, and we need no more of them.

 

[orionthehunter1]

Australia hasn't had a mass shooting because the citizens were forced to give up their weapons and they were steam rolled in the street by their government. Norway, Finland, and Sweden are also bad examples. No amount of regulation or laws would have stopped what happened. Do we make it harder for people to buy cars because of DUIs? I refuse to give an inch because if you give them an inch they will take a yard. All these regulations and gun control ideas do is make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain their rights

 

[Rmauch20]

Norway's tough gun laws of did not stop the 2011 attack there. 8 Killed in the bombing and 69 in the shooting part.

"If anyone on the forum experienced what Dromsky did, or had a loved one die in front of them during the Las Vegas shootings, I feel the inherent need to protect our loved ones, ourselves and our society, would overshadow the knee jerk reaction to owning guns as being more important."

As a law-abiding citizen my freedom to own a firearm if I choose is a right that I have, not a knee-jerk reaction as you put it. What is a knee-jerk reaction is all of a sudden wanting to legislate new gun laws when we don't enforce the ones we currently have. I do not want legislation that tells me how fast a vehicle can go,what I can or can't eat, or anything else for that matter.

 

[maninthemaze]

How would you feel if we infringed on the rest of your constitutional right. How about saying to hell with the 1st ammendment? Let's stop the porn, lying reporters, making everyone a (insert religious beliefs)? What about eliminating the 8th ammendment. That way, water boarding of prisoners would be perfectly legal. Or how about the 5th? We'll let the District Attorney keep trying you in court until it sticks.

Do you get my point? Those ammendments were put in place for a reason. None of them, I repeat, none of them should be infringed upon.

I'm truly sorry for what the madman did in Las Vegas. Just like the analogy about swimming in the ocean with sharks. Just because someone dies, doesn't mean that we should systematically pull the teeth of all the sharks in the water. We can't all live in safe spaces.

Just my 2 cents and worth the price charged.

 

[307]

This guy was a pilot and owned an airplane. Assault weapons certainly create fear and draw media attention but if mass killing and maximum destruction were the goal, how many deaths would come from flying an airplane (full of fuel, explosives???) into a crowd of 22k in a small space?

In a strange way, we might be thankful he chose the guns.

 

[541hunter]

The guy was sick and twisted. My cousin was there and she was able to make it out unscathed. Unfortunately this was not true for all in her group.

I find it ironic that Australia is commonly brought up, while there are many more countries that have just as strict of gun laws yet very high gun death rates. An example would be Honduras which has a total ban on civilian firearm ownership and potentially the highest gun death rate.

The following article delves into some of the "common sense" legislation we will hear be proposed yet again. I have faith it won't pass but we as gun owners need to do a better job of explaining ourselves and sharing knowledge with others outside our normal channels.
I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise. - The Washington Post


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[AustinL911]

Am I the only one who thinks this selfie-taking, look-at-me, attention whore society we've created has a large part to do with these shootings these days? The rise in social media seems to have correlated (maybe causation) with the rise in shootings. This guy clearly didn't have enough talent to become famous through acceptable means, so he chose to become infamous instead. I feel like a lot of these shootings are about who can 1-up the one before it. All it takes is a small bit of internet research, and a severe lack of a moral compass or conscience, and you have what we have today.

I feel like if we are going to talk about the 2nd Amendment being part of the problem, then the 1st Amendment is equally as valid. If we're going to go after guns, then social media should be on the chopping block as well. No more Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, SnapChat, etc. You can no longer become instantly infamous because no one will have the means to instantly hear about it. That should put a pretty good dent in part of the problem. And, unlike firearms, which would still be easily obtainable even if they were outright banned, its not like social media would be. You delete the program and it's gone for everyone. Unless you're some genius underground programmer, it ain't coming back.

Let's do that and see how fast The Left starts screaming their heads off.

Really. Does anyone NEED social media? If you want to communicate with someone, pick up a phone. (sound familiar?)