V3 AutoTrickler

[dirtytough]

I’ve got a chargemaster. After reading all the horror stories I check every load on a beam scale also. Especially when working up a load.

I loaded 9 rounds the other day for a ladder. I think around load 4-5 or 5-6 the first was .2 grains low and the next was .3 high.

So let’s say instead of 72, 72.5...75, 75.5.

It was 72.5, 72.8, 73.8, 74...

What if you are around that 30 grain range for smaller calibers and it’s off .3 grains? That’s a lot.

Supposedly the V3 is faster and accurate. Convenience costs money. I bet most people have electric windows in their car now. I bet at one point most people didn’t think that convenience was necessary. Now can you even get a car with hand crank windows?

For now I’ll use the chargemaster and double check with the beam scale. But it would be nice to have a scale like the V3 setup for the convenience and accuracy.

 

[tdot]

What was the measurable gain?

Are you actually interested in a V3? Or simply interested in an argument?

Most of your posts regarding anything that you don't define as budget friendly are negative.

It's getting boring.

 

[16Bore]

Are you actually interested in a V3? Or simply interested in an argument?

Most of your posts regarding anything that you don't define as budget friendly are negative.

It's getting boring.

What I’m interested in is results. What I hear is “this one goes to 11” So you can either say “my groups went from X to Y” or whatever it is that you’re “getting”. Every bench rest shooter I’ve ever met swears by pixie dust, gnat farts, and that the angle of the sun will push a bullet off target. I also see them with Harrell’s throwers screwed to a bench, they don’t know exactly “how much” powder they’re actually throwing...but it was a “click” more and than before. Or maybe a “click” less.

If you’re bored with that, then move along. No need for the hissy fit. And if that sounds like an “argument”, re-read it.

Otherwise, spare me the drama.

 

[Brendan]

What I’m interested in is results.

Results are powder throw accuracy and the speed to do so: single kernel of powder accuracy without manually trickling and verifying on another scale, and doing so much faster (10 sec / charge?). You can get the same results with a beam scale, a scoop, and a manual trickler, but it'll take you a hell of a lot longer. Time is one of the most precious commodities for a lot of people.

If you're really interested in learning - check out the video.

 

[Brendan]

I think I’ve thrown a total of 60 charges with mine, maybe I just got lucky. I hope I can stay under the 20es range but it certainly could have been beginners luck

Test it this way. Pick your best / lowest ES powder charge. Go throw 50 of that same charge on the chargemaster, no manual trickling to top anything off. Verify those charge weights (ideally with a second scale), write down every actual charge, and then go re-shoot 10 groups of 5 and calculate your ES off of those 50.

That'll give you a better view of the inherent accuracy and repeatability of the chargemaster than just your initial load development.

There are plenty of people who are successful with the chargemaster, just have to know it's limits.

 

[16Bore]

Great video. One minute to trickle a charge told me everything I need to know.

 

[tdot]

I think I’ve thrown a total of 60 charges with mine, maybe I just got lucky. I hope I can stay under the 20es range but it certainly could have been beginners luck

For various reasons I've now used a Chargemaster 1500 and 2 Lites. All 3 had different levels of consistency.

Try this test.

Throw 10 charges of say 50 grains. Keep them sealed individually in containers.

As you progress, every once in awhile throw 10 charges. And set them aside.

Now at some point in the future re-measure them all on the Chargemaster.

Some of the Chargemasters were better then others at this and at different times of the year they would be better. However, some times I would have variation of up to +/- 1 grain. That's a 2 grain variation. I dont care if my scale weighs a perfect 50 grains everytime, what I need/want is consistency. If it's always actually 50.1, that's fine. I'm always loading in the same way, with the same gear, so it'll yield consist results.

I've been reloading for several new wild cats and several new cartridges this year. I've had awesome results 95% of the time and then randomly something would happen and I would get 1 or 2 weird results. A load that had an es of 15, would suddenly have an es of 60 or I would shoot a 5 shot group and 1 would be over pressure, etc. Each of these issues made me retest, abandon that load, look for other alternatives, rethink my process or equipment. When I look at the time, components and equipment that I've gone through, it's way more then the additional cost of the V3. Though only time will tell, if the V3 will make the difference. But from the variations that I started to see by remeasuring the thrown charges over time, I strongly suspect the charge weights to be the issue.

This was highly powder and cartridge dependent. if I could land on a really wide accuracy node, it was much easier to have awesome results. One of my cartridges had a very narrow accuracy node and that was where I really started to notice issues.

You may have a better Chargemaster then others. There are definitely a wide variation in the accuracy of the 3 models I used. But monitor it over time and if you start having issues, test the Chargemaster, I wish I had earlier.

 

[Don Qui Puncher]

For various reasons I've now used a Chargemaster 1500 and 2 Lites. All 3 had different levels of consistency.

Try this test.

Throw 10 charges of say 50 grains. Keep them sealed individually in containers.

As you progress, every once in awhile throw 10 charges. And set them aside.

Now at some point in the future re-measure them all on the Chargemaster.

Some of the Chargemasters were better then others at this and at different times of the year they would be better. However, some times I would have variation of up to +/- 1 grain. That's a 2 grain variation. I dont care if my scale weighs a perfect 50 grains everytime, what I need/want is consistency. If it's always actually 50.1, that's fine. I'm always loading in the same way, with the same gear, so it'll yield consist results.

I've been reloading for several new wild cats and several new cartridges this year. I've had awesome results 95% of the time and then randomly something would happen and I would get 1 or 2 weird results. A load that had an es of 15, would suddenly have an es of 60 or I would shoot a 5 shot group and 1 would be over pressure, etc. Each of these issues made me retest, abandon that load, look for other alternatives, rethink my process or equipment. When I look at the time, components and equipment that I've gone through, it's way more then the additional cost of the V3. Though only time will tell, if the V3 will make the difference. But from the variations that I started to see by remeasuring the thrown charges over time, I strongly suspect the charge weights to be the issue.

This was highly powder and cartridge dependent. if I could land on a really wide accuracy node, it was much easier to have awesome results. One of my cartridges had a very narrow accuracy node and that was where I really started to notice issues.

You may have a better Chargemaster then others. There are definitely a wide variation in the accuracy of the 3 models I used. But monitor it over time and if you start having issues, test the Chargemaster, I wish I had earlier.

That definitely makes sense when you put it that way, I’ll try testing it like that. When I first started with it I was getting .1 variance, say I was doing 75 my charges would be 74.95-75.05 or near that and I believe the loads I got the low ES on I plugged in 74.8 and trickled the last .2 and was around .02-.04 variance. Last I used it I didn’t let it warm up that long and I was after a few charges and re calibrated because it was off and I measured all 20 charges and they were close maybe .04-.06 without trickling. Those are the loads I plan to shoot tomorrow I’ll see what the ES is on them and report back

 

[Brendan]

Question for anyone that has one of these on the bench. What are dimensions of a FX120i, Autotricker, Autothrow setup all assembled (LxWxH)? This whole lockdown has me looking at workbench re-design, and I'm considering carving out a spot for one of these so it slides in while not being used.

 

[unclericco]

So if a person was to upgrade from a Chargemaster, what all do you need to buy for this new setup?

 

[Msowa]

Here is some pretty great info, there's another one with the owner of Autotrickler that gets even more in depth.

 

[Msowa]

 

[StopMakingSense]

Just put $50 down - https://ceproducts.shop/collections/full-reloading-kit/products/pre-order-of-the-the-whole-kit-v3

 

[Travis Bertrand]

mine shipped today! I messed up and found the email requesting the rest of the payment in my email that was sent at the beginning of the month!!

 

[Travis Bertrand]

So if a person was to upgrade from a Chargemaster, what all do you need to buy for this new setup?

well you need to sell your charge master some people put this guy on an uninterrupted power source. I believe a link is in this thread somewhere. if not, ill post one up later.

 

[StopMakingSense]

mine shipped today! I messed up and found the email requesting the rest of the payment in my email that was sent at the beginning of the month!!

How long did you wait? I just put mine in today.

 

[Travis Bertrand]

How long did you wait? I just put mine in today.

well I placed my order 5 days prior to the email they said they have them in stock and requesting payment. Like mentioned earlier, that went to my junk mail and I just now saw this. A friend of mine ordered after me and the other day he sent me a picture of his. I was like... what the heck! thats when I found the second email in my junk.

 

[Hiwayman92]

What are lead times looking like on a V3? I have a FX120i already, I just throw from my Chargemaster then put on my FX and finish with a dandy trickier. I’m thinking I could save some time and have less bench clutter. Are V2’s available used at a significant cost savings?


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[JLane330]

Thanks for the videos, now I understand why some love this. I've been using a beam scale and manual trickler and thought it was perfectly fine. Truth is, it is for my shooting. I have a PACT scale and dispenser that doesn't get used because I enjoy the manual process.
As someone who really only shoots for hunting purposes, I'm also very interested in just how accurate a powder charge needs to be. Lots of variables in shooting and reloading, and the more consistent the better, but...how good is good enough?

Following to learn more...

 

[Brendan]

Thanks for the videos, now I understand why some love this. I've been using a beam scale and manual trickler and thought it was perfectly fine. Truth is, it is for my shooting. I have a PACT scale and dispenser that doesn't get used because I enjoy the manual process.
As someone who really only shoots for hunting purposes, I'm also very interested in just how accurate a powder charge needs to be. Lots of variables in shooting and reloading, and the more consistent the better, but...how good is good enough?

Following to learn more...

Equal accuracy is obtainable by much, much cheaper methods - manually like you do it now you can get the same results with a decent scale.

The real benefit is speed. Being able to measure an accurate powder charge to the single kernel of powder fast and repeatable is the benefit of this. If you don't reload high volumes, or you've got time on your hands, this probably isn't worth it.

For me personally: I'm OCD about accuracy, and I hate spending more time on something than I need to. That's why a setup like this is appealing to me.

Totally unnecessary for low volume hunting reloading, unless you just don't know what to do with your $$$.