Utah Hunt Expo packstravaganza

DaveC

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We decided to run up to the Utah Hunt Expo yesterday, mainly to look at packs. Too last minute to meet up with anyone, sadly, but seeing the gear was worth it. Three points before I dive into my impressions of 7 hunting packs.

1) Toddlers love taxidermy. Our 18 month old added "elk", "lion" and "bison" to his vocabulary thanks to the show. Great fun.
2) Folks who think the expo is crowded should try summer OR; 4 times as many booths crammed into the same space.
3) Until recently I worked at Seek Outside, and have used their suspension almost exclusively for the past 3 years. That's my frame of reference.

Kuiu

The first booth we found that was on the list was Kuiu, which was easy to find due to the massive crowds. Their carbon frame is an elegant way to combine stays, framesheet, and strap attachment into one, but I found the lumbar pressure to be far too aggressive. It was uncomfortable at first, and became painful in short order. Why they made the base of the frame so narrow makes no sense to me. I like the shoulder straps a lot, and the belt fine, but the lumbar pressure is a deal breaker.

Takeaway: Unless they make big changes, not interested.

Stone Glacier

Most excited to try on an X Curve. I had a first gen Solo bag that I used on various frames, and liked the simple features, nice little details, and burly materials. Their aesthetics appeal to me, too. SG had very pro booth staff, and an X Curve loaded with what they claimed was 60 pounds. It was obvious from the first that the pack fitted me very well, and I spent as much time with it on as I felt like I could justify. Belt and especially shoulder straps are in my book the ideal mix. The new tension adjusting straps on the X Curve belt didn't seem like they did much, but I'd happily learn differently with 100 pounds on board.

Takeaway: I want an X Curve and Sky Archer

Exo

Exo didn't have a pack with significant weight in it. Wtf? Makes it hard to compare with the above. Their packs look great, especially the ranger green. Very Osprey with the stretch pockets and many features and are busy, but coherent. I'm actually surprised I haven't heard of more folks trashing the side pocket material, as it feels like stuff I've killed in the past. Their pack sizing is very generous, the 2000 daypack is close to 3000 in my opinion. The new snap in dry liner for the 2000 seemed heavy, but well executed. Biggest contrast was the lumbar bad, which is both massive and very soft, especially compared to to Kuiu. I didn't feel as good as Stone Glacier, but was definitely something I could live with. The shoulder strap attachment clips did make for a very vague feel to that connection, and most worryingly the belt connection is very narrow. The pack felt tippy, with no way to cinch things tight to the belt.

Takeaway: An odd mix of dialed features and looks with some suspension details that just don't make sense.
 
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Kifaru

Stiffest frame (laterally) of them all, biggest lumbar pad, thinnest and most flexible belt. The Hunter Frame felt odd, and very different from what I'm used to, but in a way I'd be willing to experiment with. I'm assuming that with a bunch of padding taken out of the lumbar I'd do well, but maybe I'd end up liking the stock rig. They sew things with a thread that is quite a bit thicker than any of the other packs, and had the sloppiest stitching by a considerable margin. I don't have any structural reservations about what I saw, but I'd be a bit put off to pay 6-800 dollars for a package that had a bunch of loose threads and missed stitches in obvious places.

Takeaway: Interested, but I have a hard time seeing how the product lives up to the hype.

Outdoorsmans


I've always wondered why people like Remi Warren like their Optics Hunter so much. Now I know why. The frame was surprisingly comfy in how it blended vertical stiffness and lateral bend. Hipbelt and straps weren't excellent, but seemed find. The wide bag holds a lot more than it looks like it would, and I can see how having all that capacity below shoulder level would be handy amongst the cat claw. Pockets were well executed as well, especially the basic and effective scope pockets, and the dual pocket lid which is a totally brilliant design. They also didn't have weights on hand, so hard to say how the lack of frame height would play out at heavy loads.

Takeaway: Want one, worried it wouldn't work for backpack hunts far from the TH, but I still want one.

Horn Hunter

How does anyone still think belt and strap padding this stiff is a good idea? Totally illogical. Were that fixed, and the way complex "system" shrunk down a bit I think it'd be a very solid beginner rig.

Takeaway: Hip bruising machine.
 
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Mystery Ranch

I still don't get MR. Construction quality is still super high, no matter what country they're sewn in, but they just have what seems like a needlessly complex suspension combined with a oddly narrow (top-bottom) and stiff hipbelt. Black Ovis didn't have weight in a pack, but I do worry that despite the dual density foam the belt wouldn't distribute well enough to not bruise. The new, smaller hunting packs (esp the Divide) are oddly heavy and complex given that several of them don't even have belts. Not sure what they're after with those.

Takeaway: Snore.


Final thoughts:

Lots of good options. Definitely a big gap between aggressive lumbar pads and subtle ones. My wife, who is a tall and slim lady with a lot of trail miles, noted that the average expo attendee logs a lot more time in the weight room than the average OR attendee. Seem logical that this would explain the strong preference for big lumbar pads in the hunting community (which neither of us thought fit us). It's also interesting to see that load shelfing is now an almost mandatory feature. Not sure if that's marketing, preference, or just people wanting options (to switch bags) down the road. The Stone Glacier suspension, and a modified version of the Exo, are both platforms that I could see working for backpackers and packrafters, as they're a good ways ahead of just about any backpacking platform I can think of.

In spite of the unsavory associations the show is worth attending if you're in the market.
 

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Are you talking about the stretchy side pockets on the EXO or the full length side pockets? 500d Cordura on the full length ones, and the stretch pockets are made from the same material that football pants are made of. Lot tougher than you would think. I have a 2014 3500 that still looks new even after a ton of miles and a ton of critters hauled out in it. Agreed, Steve should have one with weight in it. Solid pack overall. Agree on the SG packs.
 
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Got the Kifaru and will use it this year on longer , deeper hunts. But have been looking at the SG Skyarcher pack already. Thx for the time to write this up, helps confirm what I was already thinking.
 

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Forgot to ask, what do you think is "busy" on the EXO? It's one of the cleaner packs as far as lack of unnecessary straps and gadgets. I think Steve said 5oz on the dry bag for the 2000, and just a little more than that for the 3500 and 5500. Not much different than a pack cover with way less aggravation.
 

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Thanks for the comments Sneaky. I am close to ordering an Exo and it's good to read comments from guys with Exo field experience.
 

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My focus at the Expo this year was on packs as well, mainly Kifaru and Stone Glacier as I think they are currently the top 2 platforms for hunting. The Kifaru packs met my expectations, but the X Curve demo frame with the 60 lbs was kind of one of those "wow" moments. I'll be ordering a Kifaru, mainly due to the bag and color choice, but if I'm not 100% happy with it the X Curve is definitely next on the list. I've got a couple of custom made McHale packs that have a double waist belt buckles and always wondered why none of the other manufacturer's use them. IMHE they are a big step up from single strap waist belts and allow the user to vary the tension/pressure between the top and bottom of the belt. Whenever someone else tries on one of my McHales, the waist belt is the first thing they comment on (in a good way...). So it's nice to see SG do something similar with their new frame.
 
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When you've got five exterior pockets, a side access zip, eight compression straps, and lid attachment all going on together I don't see how busy can't be the word. It obviously works, and I can't really see how Exo could have done it better. Just not my style.

5 oz is a lot for something that doesn't have an immersion proof closure. (It can't be due to the snaps interrupting the fold.) On the other hand I'm sure the bag will last quite a while.
 
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Good write up.
I tried most of them on as well.
Note to anyone hoping to sell a pack, please for the love have some meaningful weight on hand.
I think SG would be my top choice.
 

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I bought the new 2017 EXO 3500 pack while I was there. Nice improvements over my Gen 1 EXO pack. I love the way my 2014 fit me and look forward to trying the new one.

Great to see so many good choices. I like the Kifaru packs a lot, and I have heard excellent things about the SG packs, although I have never used one. One thing for sure, I am SO GLAD I moved past the Badlands packs etc. They fit a nice niche, and heaven knows I hauled a bunch of quarters in my 2200, but they are not even close to being in the same league as these real backpacking packs.

Thank you for the write up. It is interesting seeing what other people think of the various packs out there.
 

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Anyone who has used the Exo 3500 or 5500 can you comment on the pack being "tippy" as described in DaveC's comments above. How do you find it handles loads 80lbs and over ?
 

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When you've got five exterior pockets, a side access zip, eight compression straps, and lid attachment all going on together I don't see how busy can't be the word. It obviously works, and I can't really see how Exo could have done it better. Just not my style.

5 oz is a lot for something that doesn't have an immersion proof closure. (It can't be due to the snaps interrupting the fold.) On the other hand I'm sure the bag will last quite a while.

I think they mean it is 100% waterproof when the roll top is secured, which means the dry bag will be rolled also. Everyone knows when you open the top of the bag it isn't going to be waterproof. As for the straps, it's about the same number as on the SG, because you are obviously counting the straps attaching the bag to the frame. Same goes with the SG. One thing I can't get past on the SG packs is how damn tall they are. Nice and narrow, and five feet long seems like. Every one of the EXO pockets tucks up tight when not in use, nice to have them if needed. Just like vehicles though, nice to have solid choices available.
 

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Anyone who has used the Exo 3500 or 5500 can you comment on the pack being "tippy" as described in DaveC's comments above. How do you find it handles loads 80lbs and over ?

Like a champ. I don't understand his tippy comment either. Not sure how an empty bag could be tippy, floppy maybe since most were opened up to show all the pockets and access and what not, but they haul weight very well. There will be others who will echo those same sentiments I think. I know I've had 25 lbs of gear, a bow, hindquarter and a shoulder off of an elk on mine at the same time for a pack out. My friend broke half the straps on his badlands during that, I didn't even pop a stitch.
 

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I have never felt "tippy" in mine either. I have always liked how the pack moves with me while negotiating the terrain. I have had my stuff for a day (around 25#) and a little more than half of one mule deer buck, plus the head and antlers and hiked out of the bottom of the canyon (see my avatar). Hike was tough, but not because of the pack. Mostly it was because I was not in the type of shape I needed to be in. I have trained a few times with 60# of sand bags in the pack too. It worked great.

I have also had one hind quarter and backstraps in mine from a cow elk. Again, I didn't feel tippy at all, but I realized I need to work out harder to be prepared to pack more. :p
 

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My wife and I used exo mt 3500s. To haul two cows out last year.... The two cow where shot from the same heard... The exo mt worked great... I would still be use in the 3500.. If my dog wouldn't of chewed on mine....
 
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