USDA rescinds roadless rule

[wyosam]

We have to get out from under the 37 TRILLION of debt one way or another. The 1 TRILLION in just interest payments is bogging down everything. Sell everything if that is what it takes. You could pay 1 billion per day and the interest without adding anything to the current debt and not get out of debt for several HUNDRED years. You got that now? At 65 trillion the USA goes into complete bankruptcy and a depression around the world will begin. At the current rate, you will see this by 2040. Sell everything, just as you would in a personal bankruptcy.....sell it or it gets taken away anyways.

So you think the government (regardless of who’s in charge) is going to sell everything off and pay off our debt? Did you bump your head? Expecting sudden magical fiscal responsibility from the same group of idiots that put us in that spot is a very naive thought process. What we’re seeing right now is the elite level wealthy class gobbling up wealth before the collapse.


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[PathFinder]

The way out is by ending the programs that ran up the debt in the first place. That means SS and Medicare+Medicaid have to go. Nobody seems to have the stomach to be responsible for their own finances, so down the debt spiral we go.

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[TaperPin]

Way to over simplify and gaslight the discussion
No one has made the statement that roads = management
I’m simply saying that by declaring an area roadless the government is limiting the use of the land . And limiting the use of public land is bad . Is it not ?
One person even equated recinding the roadless rule to “locking it behind d a gate” !!! That is exactly what the roadless rule does it locks roads !

The one dimensional thinking is really clouding reality for many

Not even enough funding to maximize use of the forest with roads has been allocated, so no deep thinking required to see that this is coming from very small special interests.

Roads aren’t free. Look at the poor condition of many existing forest service roads over the past two decades. The loudest want budgets cut and complain their special interest isn’t being hand fed.

 

[Harvey_NW]

I’m simply saying that by declaring an area roadless the government is limiting the use of the land . And limiting the use of public land is bad . Is it not ?

No, it's not. Some of the most beautiful and healthy places in the west are wilderness areas with very limited access and restrictions.

As I previously stated, there are hundreds of thousands of acres of national forest land that has roads plastered all over it, and isn’t managed worth a shit, and doesn't make a difference in fighting fires, because it all ends up burning down anyway. Start there.

 

[wowzers]

Not even enough funding to maximize use of the forest with roads has been allocated, so no deep thinking required to see that this is coming from very small special interests.

Roads aren’t free. Look at the poor condition of many existing forest service roads over the past two decades. The loudest want budgets cut and complain their special interest isn’t being hand fed.

They don’t even spend the funding that they take in appropriately. Most timber sales have deferred maintenance dollars collected for the roads that no one can tell you where is spent, and it sure as hell isn’t spent on maintenance.

You keep harping on the fact that they don’t have the people to clean the toilets, clear trails, etc. Do you realize that is because the big brains that run the agency decided to hire a slew of mid to upper management positions on one time funding sources? Then when those sources expired their solution was to not hire back the seasonal positions that actually do work.

 

[TaperPin]

They don’t even spend the funding that they take in appropriately. Most timber sales have deferred maintenance dollars collected for the roads that no one can tell you where is spent, and it sure as hell isn’t spent on maintenance.

You keep harping on the fact that they don’t have the people to clean the toilets, clear trails, etc. Do you realize that is because the big brains that run the agency decided to hire a slew of mid to upper management positions on one time funding sources? Then when those sources expired their solution was to not hire back the seasonal positions that actually do work.

Right. Money just mysteriously disappears.

 

[wowzers]

Right. Money just mysteriously disappears.

Did you miss the seven consecutive audits the DOD has failed?

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4992913-pentagon-fails-7th-audit-in-a-row-but-says-progress-made/

 

[TaperPin]

Did you miss the seven consecutive audits the DOD has failed?

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4992913-pentagon-fails-7th-audit-in-a-row-but-says-progress-made/

I have no doubt the crooks that build weapons, the paid for politicians, the generals who get lucrative jobs at defense contractors after retirement, all the way to the very top are all crooked as hell.

How that relates the department of ag is beyond me.

 

[wowzers]

I have no doubt the crooks that build weapons, the paid for politicians, the generals who get lucrative jobs at defense contractors after retirement, all the way to the very top are all crooked as hell.

How that relates the department of ag is beyond me.

News flash, they both have .gov emails.

 

[TaperPin]

News flash, they both have .gov emails.

My bad - I should have thought through that more. It’s the email! Of course!

 

[wowzers]

My bad - I should have thought through that more. It’s the email! Of course!

I guess you were just talking about common sense leaving the chat.