US ... OG / OGL / Reaper? Which is best for what?

[omicron1792]

I think your question has been answered but understand the confusion. I think suppressor manufacturers (US included) would help themselves with fewer confused customers if they added the context to their rating. IE, XXX dBa, at shooters ear, on a 20" 308 shooting m118. Part or all of the bolded/underlined frequently gets missed.

In regards to the OP - The Reaper, OG, and that new little can from Airlock are all intriguing options to me for a typical hunting rifle. I think if I had a 223 - 6 GT sized case burning <36 grains of powder, the OG is more enticing as it has less gas to deal with using it's limited volume/baffles. The OG-L is just too heavy to be particularly interesting to me on most standard hunting rifles.

I think the only numbers that matter to me come from these summits where multiple cans are all tested in the same way at the same time.

There are so many variables in play that manufacturer supplied statistics have very little meaning in comparison to other cans.

 

[wind gypsy]

I think the only numbers that matter to me come from these summits where multiple cans are all tested in the same way at the same time.

There are so many variables in play that manufacturer supplied statistics have very little meaning in comparison to other cans.

Generally agree. I think they may be helpful if rated similarly to other cans from a given mfr though?

 

[omicron1792]

Generally agree. I think they may be helpful if rated similarly to other cans from a given mfr though?

They would have to all agree on the caliber, ammunition, barrel length, microphone and sound equipment, and shooting environment for it to be apples to apples. Would be nice if all these were standardized but I doubt that happens outside of these summits.

If you look you can see that manufacturers supplied numbers often don’t match those found at these summits. All manufacturers are going to cherry pick to make their numbers look better that they supply. Just the way it is.

Similar to mpg numbers of cars often get downgraded when actually tested by a third party.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Anyone know if they're doing the suppressor summit this year?

That's my go-to data set as well followed by Pew.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Anyone know if they're doing the suppressor summit this year?

That's my go-to data set as well followed by Pew.

I was trying to find that out, but I didn’t see anything online.

PS - Pew is entitled to do as he likes, but as long as he chooses to charge businesses and consumers for the results, I will choose not to pay him for them. I won’t pay for the data unless I get access to a totally comprehensive and complete set of it.

I like the Summit Results because it is all done on the same day in the same place. I hope there is an annual summit and that every manufacturer attends.


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[sndmn11]

From that standpoint, what would prevent a Rokslide suppressor summit? Enough people on here own a breadth of suppressors that an organized meetup could accomplish the same thing. There was an organized optics get-together that @Tahoe1305 put together a few years ago that turned out really well.

 

[Formidilosus]

They would have to all agree on the caliber, ammunition, barrel length, microphone and sound equipment,

That’s mostly done already. 20” 308, M118 LR, and the sound equipment is pretty standardized.

and shooting environment for it to be apples to apples. Would be nice if all these were standardized but I doubt that happens outside of these summits.

Any company worth a snot does that. The environment changes a couple-few dB; not 6-10 as you see with some results.

If you look you can see that manufacturers supplied numbers often don’t match those found at these summits. All manufacturers are going to cherry pick to make their numbers look better that they supply. Just the way it is.

Not all manufacturers cherry pick. US uses a TBAC UL7 Gen2 to start every test to ensure a known standard and its numbers are recorded for that day. If any weirdness happens, the UL7 is shot again to check baseline. Then, if a US can ranges from say 131 dBA to 134 dBA- such as the OG, US states 133-134 dBA. There are plenty of times the OG has metered below 132 SE dBA, but Cliff, nor Ryan are interested in BS’ing people. US numbers are much closer to “worst case”, than best case.

 

[omicron1792]

D whS

That’s mostly done already. 20” 308, M118 LR, and the sound equipment is pretty standardized.




Any company worth a snot does that. The environment changes a couple-few dB; not 6-10 as you see with some results.




Not all manufacturers cherry pick. US uses a TBAC UL7 Gen2 to start every test to ensure a known standard and its numbers are recorded for that day. If any weirdness happens, the UL7 is shot again to check baseline. Then, if a US can ranges from say 131 dBA to 134 dBA- such as the OG, US states 133-134 dBA. There are plenty of times the OG has metered below 132 SE dBA, but Cliff, nor Ryan are interested in BS’ing people. US numbers are much closer to “worst case”, than best case.

but none of that is applicable to comparing to other suppressor companies. I think you missed the point.

 

[Formidilosus]

D whS

but none of that is applicable to comparing to other suppressor companies. I think you missed the point.

I suppose I did then.

 

[omicron1792]

I suppose I did then.

Ha.

I’m saying everyone would have to do it the same way for those stats to have meaning.

US doing what they did is awesome. I 100% believe it’s hearing safe. But how does that compare to another manufacturers numbers?

At some point I guess it doesn’t matter and we are splitting hairs.

 

[Axlrod]

For those that have shot the OGL w/SRS brake, can you give your assessment of the recoil reduction? Specifically in a 10 pound 30 cal. magnum shooting 215 gr bullets w/5 port stand alone brake I can spot impacts. Would I be able to replace my brake with the OGL & SRS brake, and still spot impacts?

 

[wind gypsy]

For those that have shot the OGL w/SRS brake, can you give your assessment of the recoil reduction? Specifically in a 10 pound 30 cal. magnum shooting 215 gr bullets w/5 port stand alone brake I can spot impacts. Would I be able to replace my brake with the OGL & SRS brake, and still spot impacts?

I bet that 4" front of muzzle plus brake cap would work nicely, for a can. My only reference is comparing nomad XC and Scythe ti with the recoil x brakes on 24" 6.5 creedmoor and 28" 6.5x47 and they are still a fair ways off from something like a g3 APA little bastard brake. Maybe half-way between flat end cap and the brake when it comes to maintaining sight picture at best? Not sure if another 30 grains of powder would increase or lower the gap but it damn sure wont do what a 5 port tipro will still.

 

[Formidilosus]

Ha.

I’m saying everyone would have to do it the same way for those stats to have meaning.

US doing what they did is awesome. I 100% believe it’s hearing safe. But how does that compare to another manufacturers numbers?

Well, the UL7 Gen 2 meters on average at the ear at 131 dBA for the testing with US- so about 2 dBA louder than they state. Not saying that TBAC is cherry picking: 129 dBA has definitely been measured with it before. It’s the reason US uses the UL7 g2 as the baseline- it’s a well known can with a lot of data on it. Anything that is out of the ordinary with the TBAC causes the whole test to be scrapped (at least once the OG’s metered quieter then the UL7 which is clearly wrong, and that test day was discarded).
So when you see a dBA number from UM, understand that is with a TBAC UL7 Gen 2 metering between 130-132 dBA right beside it.

At some point I guess it doesn’t matter and we are splitting hairs.

People are definitely splitting hairs on small differences in dB. I have said for years on here that once a can is a “real” suppressor that how it sounds makes more of a difference than 1-5 dB does.

 

[Formidilosus]

For those that have shot the OGL w/SRS brake, can you give your assessment of the recoil reduction? Specifically in a 10 pound 30 cal. magnum shooting 215 gr bullets w/5 port stand alone brake I can spot impacts. Would I be able to replace my brake with the OGL & SRS brake, and still spot impacts?

@wind gypsy below comment is about right.

Maybe half-way between flat end cap and the brake when it comes to maintaining sight picture at best?

 

[Tahoe1305]

From that standpoint, what would prevent a Rokslide suppressor summit? Enough people on here own a breadth of suppressors that an organized meetup could accomplish the same thing. There was an organized optics get-together that @Tahoe1305 put together a few years ago that turned out really well.

I’ve got a place to do it……(and a handful that can participate)

 

[sndmn11]

I’ve got a place to do it……(and a handful that can participate)

Set it up!