Had a buddy in Utah for a few days, spoke with Serge about a landowner tag for a quick meat hunt.  I specifically asked if the elk were in the hay otherwise wasn't going to have enough time to make it work.  He said Yes, they are there every day since August.  Serge demanded to be paid Venmo F&F only also should have know better, got to the farm and the rancher said he had not seen them in the field at all, saw a few a week prior on BLM that's it. Rancher knew we were being screwed, I think, he never even came out of his house to meet us or answer the phone, he would only text us back once in a while. Sorry but not how I like to do business.