Updated Partition bullet

[Formidilosus]

means that this wound channel diagnosis is once again a huge waste of time, as the channel cannot be greater than the exit.

Imagine posting this; and then arguing with anyone, about anything.

 

[JGRaider]

Imagine posting this; and then arguing with anyone, about anything.

Yawn.........24HCF says the same thing about you and your heroics over there.

I will concede though, as that was a stupid analogy on my part, something I've never seen you admit on any forum BTW. Nevertheless, I'll stand by the rest of my thoughts on the subject.

 

[streamerfish]

I'm on both sides of the fence of frangible vs tougher bullets. I have killed enough animals with various bullets and followed all the necropsy tgreads to know that pretty much any bullet will kill an animal if it hits the right spot. Ive also seen that manufactures have tried countless ways to hit a sweet spot, interlocks, corelokts, bonded, thicker wall bases, monos, also people use frangible match bullets to get higher BCs and bigger wounds. It seems that Nosler made the best of both worlds decades ago. The partition nose fragments quickly while the base keeps driving. Its still loaded in factory ammo, but many desire a sleeker high BC bullet and its not even available in many of the newer cartridges. Whats the chance that a new style partition ever becomes available? Same design with a sleeker ogive and better BC. Not as finicky of impact velocity as many newer designs. Federals terminal ascent came close but is bonded with 90 percent weight retention. Im thinking closer to the 60 to 70 percent retention of old. Am I the only one that thinks this would be a good seller?

An updated partition bullet. That was a higher b.c., doesnt have to be at the absolute top of the b.c. charts but reasonable, would be IMHO the best hunting bullet on the market.

Ive been told by nosler employees in the past that it was tricky to build it into a different shape and keep the open lead top that really drives the magic of the front end. But that was probably a decade ago.

 

[z987k]

An updated partition bullet. That was a higher b.c., doesnt have to be at the absolute top of the b.c. charts but reasonable, would be IMHO the best hunting bullet on the market.

Ive been told by nosler employees in the past that it was tricky to build it into a different shape and keep the open lead top that really drives the magic of the front end. But that was probably a decade ago.

I think something like the Terminal ascent, but instead of bonding the front end, just cup and core that part and you'd have what you're looking for.

 

[Kimber7man]

The last time I bought Partitions they were on clearance at Midway for $17/box of 50 for the 175gr .284" for my 7mag. I bought 10 boxes. That was probably 2005'ish right about the time I switched to archery. The 175gr Partitions and A-frames were all I used in the 7mag. Both made dead critters 100% of the time I used them. The Partitions were accurate enough for my use, with 3-shot groupings at 3" many times at 400 yards over the years.

That 7mm 175 is a stone killer. Buddy used one on a bear out of his newfangled modern 7 PRC, dropped on the spot and you saw the air blowing out the entrance wound. Need to figure out how to post a video….

 

[TexasAg99]

I read through this thread and I didn't see anyone mention the Accubond LR (ABLR). This might be close to what OP is desiring. I have not used them personally but I understand that they were intended to be a bit more lightly constructed as compared to the basic Accubond in order to allow for expansion at lower speeds/longer ranges. So it might give the desired result...?

 

[TexasAg99]

Per google:
The AccuBond Long Range (ABLR) is built for extended distances with a higher Ballistic Coefficient (BC) for flatter flight, designed to expand down to 1300 fps, making it great past 500 yards, but has lighter weight retention (50-60%); the standard AccuBond is a tougher, all-around bullet, reliable down to 1800 fps, ideal for shots within 400-500 yards, offering deeper penetration and higher weight retention (65-70%) but less aerodynamic for ultra-long shots.

I'm a FNG here...how do I edit previous posts??? I don't see an edit option.

 

[streamerfish]

I read through this thread and I didn't see anyone mention the Accubond LR (ABLR). This might be close to what OP is desiring. I have not used them personally but I understand that they were intended to be a bit more lightly constructed as compared to the basic Accubond in order to allow for expansion at lower speeds/longer ranges. So it might give the desired result...?

I dont have any first hand dealings with the accubond LR.

However, its a full length bonded bullet so its not really gonna act like a partition. My assumption is it's going to expand and petal but no or little fragmentation. Which is fine in its own right. But not the same thing.

The trick of the partition is that it fragments like a match bullet in the front end, but penetrates like a mono on the back end.

I might play around a bit the the accubond LR this year for a deer load, because im specifically looking for a smaller wound channel/less potential meat damage. But i havent decided yet.

 

[Sled]

I missed this one the first time it came around. I'm looking forward to the @Formidilosus designed UM projectile that is probably in the works by now. It just needs a catchy name like the RokShok... "Now featuring temporary wound channels wider than the exit wound".

 

[Scoutfan]

I am working on a load for my 300 with a 210 accubond LR. Need to slip one into something bigger than deer to decide if it's what I am looking for.

 

[sandhillhunter]

I am working on a load for my 300 with a 210 accubond LR. Need to slip one into something bigger than deer to decide if it's what I am looking for.

Same here.

Local gunsmith has been recommending it after having some clients using the ABLR in 7 PRC in Africa with great results.


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[Kimber7man]

Same here.

Local gunsmith has been recommending it after having some clients using the ABLR in 7 PRC in Africa with great results.


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168 ABLR worked great in a few 7 PRCs in my hunting group the past couple of years. Anywhere from 2,900 to 3,000 fps muzzle velocity, impacts from 150 to a little over 400 yards.

 

[Choupique]

looking forward to the Formidilosus designed UM projectile that is probably in the works by now. It just needs a catchy name like the RokShok... "Now featuring temporary wound channels wider than the exit wound".

Well there is that new 6mm TMK thread going........

 

[wapitispokes]

I think the partition has shown that there’s a sweet spot with fragmentation and retention. There are pros and cons to fragmentation. It’s not a requirement for lethality but often helps shorten blood trails. The downside is highly fragmenting bullets can “over fragment” at closer ranges and you might lose more meat and/or eat some lead, which some people have a problem with and some don’t.

I stopped using what i call "NPT"s (Nosler Partitions) over 30 years ago after making a heart shot on a small broadside Mulie at about 100 yards from my 7-08. The heart literally exploded which was a good thing, and there was an exit wound as expected. But the entire on-side shoulder was blood shot and ruined. That was a lot more meat damage than I wanted to see on a small big game animal. I tried switching to Barnes copper bullets which were all the rage at the time, but I have developed a strong dislike for those due to the excessive copper fouling those copper Barnes bullets caused in my barrels. It was just too much work to clean the barrels and the accuracy was so-so (maybe the accuracy issue was due to twist rate; I don't know). (but that was 30 years ago...and I just haven't gone back to the Barnes due to that issue).

 

[FredH]

Violently (extremely poor choice of words)......not hardly, in fact not even close. They expand slightly more than the accubond, which is why they don't penetrate quite as much but the difference is nitpicking. Weight retention is virtually indistinguishable between the two. Entry/exits once again not worth arguing about as they are virtually identical. Wound channels........who gives a ratsazzz when they kill so effectively.

Well in some circles bits of lead spread around are the most important part of a hunting bullet. Not my circle but somewhere near here.

 

[WestTN2288]

Do the swift sirocco bullets fit this at all? No experience with these other than reading about them a time or 2