Unknown suppressors OG testing

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Good info, thanks for doing the math and sharing. Plus, a new thread on "suppressor science" would not only be cool, but might keep Form from going all Episode 37, Evil Form.

It would be appreciated elsewhere, imho. Sometimes I want to nerd out on something and appreciate info, right now I find it to be too much and just a distraction from the thread. Can't imagine the folks who never like to nerd out find it very entertaining. Comparable data in normal values (which form posted) is useful to the average consumer. Data dissertations isn't.

 

[4th_point]

Comparable data in normal values (which form posted) is useful to the average consumer. Data dissertations isn't.

I'll jump out of this thread, but before I do...

Formi didn't post "normal" values. It underestimates the potential hearing damage. In fact, it could be considered harmful for the average consumer. It's an old legacy way of filtering the data. You can blame MIL for it. Or, Fudd thinking at the time.

I understand that many don't like to hear that, but I respect your desire to stick to older methods.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I'll jump out of this thread, but before I do...

Formi didn't post "normal" values. It underestimates the potential hearing damage. In fact, it could be considered harmful for the average consumer. It's an old legacy way of filtering the data. You can blame MIL for it. Or, Fudd thinking at the time.

I understand that many don't like to hear that, but I respect your desire to stick to older methods.

"Normal" = what other suppressor companies do and provides a comparison (not an absolute).

 

[thinhorn_AK]

*Edit - tentatively gone* I have an unfired OG 30 cal, cerakoted FDE, if anyone is interested. I'll beat the price of a new one and you can have your SOT hold it (if they will, you confirm) until after Jan 1 if the tax stamp is your hangup. US happily offered to swap me for something else, and I'll go that route if needed. Trying to save them some hassle of dealing with it. Fantastic guys to deal with.

Shoot me a PM.
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Wait what??? Now multiple people are returning/selling their OGs???

 

[Bluefish]

Explain to me, as a human, why I should care about the Z values? Does it affect my hearing, even if I can’t hear it?

As others have said, the short answer is yes.

The cilia in the ear are like little hairs and are in a spiral shaped cochlear. The smallest most fragile ones are on the outside and used for high frequencies, hence why nihl starts with high frequencies. The easiest damaged ones are the least protected. They get bent and broken by the pressure waves in the air (sound) and no longer work. Microscopic pictures look like blowdown in a forest.

Also the reason we have weighting is the human ear has resonance in the ear canal that boosts the mid frequencies. Microphones don’t do that, so the weighting is used to compensate for the differences between what a microphone hears and what a human hears.

There are also fletcher munsen? curves (I may have this wrong as I have not worked in the sound industry in 10+ years) which suggest that humans don’t was a flat response from a speaker, but more base and highs to compensate for ear response at low volume levels. This was commonly done with the loudness button on boom boxes. It just boosted the lows and highs which sounds better to humans.

 

[nm.otter]

There are also fletcher munsen? curves (I may have this wrong as I have not worked in the sound industry in 10+ years) which suggest that humans don’t was a flat response from a speaker, but more bass and highs to compensate for ear response at low volume levels.

Right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

This was commonly done with the loudness button on boom boxes. It just boosted the lows and highs which sounds better to humans.

'Loudness buttons' were a crude approximation -- unfortunately. Early implementations were more faithful to the design, and far more useful.

 

[mtnbound]

@Unknown Suppressors are you going to make a new thread for the OG6.5 or use this one?

 

[Ryan Avery]

@Unknown Suppressors are you going to make a new thread for the OG6.5 or use this one?

I'm gonna make a suppressor forum. It needs it; besides, we wouldn't want to "lie" to anyone. Each can needs its own thread. These threads are getting diluted.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Wait what??? Now multiple people are returning/selling their OGs???

It's mostly due to my ignorance and indecisiveness.

I bought mine when the OG sale went live, but the rifle it was intended for wasn't (and still isn't ) done, so it went in the safe. After seeing some feedback, learning more about sound perception and dB ratings, and seeing concepts like the OG-M on the roadmap, I realized it's probably best for me personally to prioritize suppression and weight. US happily offered to exchange, but I figured eating some of the cost and saving another member some was a more honorable route to go.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

It's mostly due to my ignorance and indecisiveness.

I bought mine when the OG sale went live, but the rifle it was intended for wasn't (and still isn't ) done, so it went in the safe. After seeing some feedback, learning more about sound perception and dB ratings, and seeing concepts like the OG-M on the roadmap, I realized it's probably best for me personally to prioritize suppression and weight. US happily offered to exchange, but I figured eating some of the cost and saving another member some was a more honorable route to go.

So like I’ve been saying, if sound and weight are your priorities, the OG isn’t it.

Funny, there’s actually several people here on rokslide who have returned theirs for similar reasons.

 

[Alex Genereux]

So like I’ve been saying, if sound and weight are your priorities, the OG isn’t it.

Funny, there’s actually several people here on rokslide who have returned theirs for similar reasons.

I contacted them still waiting for them to decide what they will do.

 

[Formidilosus]

So like I’ve been saying, if sound and weight are your priorities, the OG isn’t it.

Funny, there’s actually several people here on rokslide who have returned theirs for similar reasons.

You mean the same “sound” as DD STi and AB Raptor 8? Unless you are using it on a short barrel magnum- which stated from the beginning it wasn’t optimized for; the lunacy some of yall convince yourself of is mind-twisting.

I do not care what you buy or don’t buy. I cannot understand the continual rejection of all reality- that is provable and demonstrable. One would think that after multiple videos- unbroken and unedited, of a TBAC UL7 Gen 2 right in the range it should be, and an OG, along with a AB Raptor 8, and DD STi- that you specifically might take a step back and think: “hmmm maybe there is something else going on.

 

[Presswood_936]

You mean the same “sound” as DD STi and AB Raptor 8? Unless you are using it on a short barrel magnum- which stated from the beginning it wasn’t optimized for; the lunacy some of yall convince yourself of is mind-twisting.

I do not care what you buy or don’t buy. I cannot understand the continual rejection of all reality- that is provable and demonstrable. One would think that after multiple videos- unbroken and unedited, of a TBAC UL7 Gen 2 right in the range it should be, and an OG, along with a AB Raptor 8, and DD STi- that you specifically might take a step back and think: “hmmm maybe there is something else going on.

How many people have you ever heard complain that their raptor 8 , ultra 7 or DD was loud ?

 

[Formidilosus]

How many people have you ever heard complain that their raptor 8 , ultra 7 or DD was loud ?

Quite a few actually. Put an Ultra 7 on a shorter barreled magnum rifle- it isn’t “quiet”. The DD STi- there are multiple people this year alone that have shot with numerous cans- including the OG, Scythe, AB, LTI, etc side by side- and stated that the DD STi was not pleasing.
A forum member that has nothing to do with any of this asked to come out and see the metering yesterday- he watched the OG meter within 1 dBA on either side of the AB Raptor 8 and DD STi on 20” barreled 308, 6.5cm. He even asked to go down range to see if he could hear the difference between a UL7 and one of the OTB cans- wonder of wonders, with him having no idea which can was which- he picked the OTB as sounding better.

Send your OG back to US- I will invite random Roksliders to come out, I will open that package up on camera and measure it on camera. Either- you somehow got one that is messed up, or you are hearing what you want to hear.



(Edited to correct).

 

[Presswood_936]

Quite a few actually. Put an Ultra 7 on a shorter barreled magnum rifle- it isn’t “quiet”. The DD STi- there are multiple people this year alone that have shot with numerous cans- including the OG, Scythe, AB, LTI, etc side by side- and stated that the DD STi was not pleasing.
A forum member that has nothing to do with any of this asked to come out and see the metering yesterday- he watched the OG meter within 1 dBA on either side of the AB Raptor 8 and DD STi on 20” barreled 308, 6.5cm and 7PRC’s. He even asked to go down range to see if he could hear the difference between a UL7 and one of the OTB cans- wonder of wonders, with him having no idea which can was which- he picked the OTB as sounding better.

Send your OG back to US- I will invite random Roksliders to come out, I will open that package up on camera and measure it on camera. Either- you somehow got one that is messed up, or you are hearing what you want to hear.

Are all the guys in my DMs saying the OG rings their ears and aren’t happy crazy too ? What about everybody who’s heard mine next to other popular silencers and exclaimed “ holy f*ck “ at the sound of the OG . Surely mine isn’t messed up , they are indestructible after all and I’m sure QC is top notch …

 

[Formidilosus]

Are all the guys in my DMs saying the OG rings their ears and aren’t happy crazy too ? What about everybody who’s heard mine next to other popular silencers and exclaimed “ holy f*ck “ at the sound of the OG . Surely mine isn’t messed up , they are indestructible after all and I’m sure QC is top notch …

“All” the people? I’m sure. But ok- what cartridges and barrel lengths?

Again- I made on offer above, in front of random Roksliders it’ll be measured. Then they all will turn their backs and have two identical rifles and ammo fired with 132-134 dBA cans. They can write down if one of them “rings” their ears.

 

[Presswood_936]

Mine was used on a 22” -6.5 prc , not sure about the others guys who messaged me . Rokslide is the biggest echo chamber ever . I’m sure any random Rokslider you choose would believe whatever you say over their own lying ears .
Anyway I already have 4 stops on the way out west to let people hear the OG , don’t wanna re-nig on them .

 

[thinhorn_AK]

You mean the same “sound” as DD STi and AB Raptor 8? Unless you are using it on a short barrel magnum- which stated from the beginning it wasn’t optimized for; the lunacy some of yall convince yourself of is mind-twisting.

I do not care what you buy or don’t buy. I cannot understand the continual rejection of all reality- that is provable and demonstrable. One would think that after multiple videos- unbroken and unedited, of a TBAC UL7 Gen 2 right in the range it should be, and an OG, along with a AB Raptor 8, and DD STi- that you specifically might take a step back and think: “hmmm maybe there is something else going on.

since you clearly “do not care” and you don’t like or dislike products yet you seem to take any shade the OG gets very personally. There’s like a dozen people, maybe more here on RS that have returned their OGs because they are disappointed with them. I’m sure even more would return their OGs scythes, banish 30s and Alaskan 360s if they could. Clearly there is something else going on. If it’s as awesome as you say, why are there so many dissatisfied customers???

 

[Formidilosus]

Mine was used on a 22” -6.5 prc , not sure about the others guys who messaged me .

It should meter about 135 to 136 dBA on a 22” 6.5 PRC. “Quiet”, no. Hearing safe as best as the industry knows- yes. Beyond that it was stated repeatedly from the beginning that the 6.5 PRC is the upper limit of what the OG is really made for.

Rokslide is the biggest echo chamber ever . I’m sure any random Rokslider you choose would believe whatever you say over their own lying ears .

Do you know the definition of an Echo chamber?

How would they “lie” if they are blind to which is can is fired each time?

But ok- the next 10 WKR’s that respond, they will be invited to see it metered as I offered above.

Anyway I already have 4 stops on the way out west to let people hear the OG , don’t wanna re-nig on them .

Exactly. Every time you are shown proof or given an opportunity to prove that anyone is lying, you dodge it.

 

[Presswood_936]

It should meter about 135 to 136 dBA on a 22” 6.5 PRC. “Quiet”, no. Hearing safe as best as the industry knows- yes. Beyond that it was stated repeatedly from the beginning that the 6.5 PRC is the upper limit of what the OG is really made for.



Do you know the definition of an Echo chamber?

How would they “lie” if they are blind to which is can is fired each time?

But ok- the next 10 WKR’s that respond, they will be invited to see it metered as I offered above.




Exactly. Every time you are shown proof or given an opportunity to prove that anyone is lying, you dodge it.

“never mind your ringing ears , it’s hearing safe as far as we know “ … this is getting sad